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7/30/2011 16:31:53   
aqwshadowking14
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@Callisto You bring a good point there, why do we have to buy our friend space. That's just the same as buying our friends.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 26
7/30/2011 17:07:56   
rej
Member

i don't agree. the only problem with enhancements i see are the costs (paying up to 3.2k var for a single item is just redicilous)
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 27
7/30/2011 17:19:43   
xxmirxx
Member
 

It would be cool if slots we already pay for couldjust move over to are weapons and armors.
AQ Epic  Post #: 28
7/30/2011 17:27:26   
edwardvulture
Member

As I said before, enhancements are just free noob stats that people buy to get ahead of others or to stay in competition. I try not to buy too much, just 3 per weapon.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 29
7/30/2011 17:28:59   
ArtixRadinGod
Member

So wait, are you saying to eliminate enhancements? I would quit if they were removed. I have over 5k Varium put into enhancements. To see my 5k disappear would crush me. HOWEVER if I got refunded the 5k Varium I wouldn't mind too much. But then the game would feel a bit limited in my eyes. But I do agree there should be some work Varium VS None-Varium as I (being a Varium user) pretty much can't lose against a none Varium user unless I like, disconnect. I understand we pay and everything, but I just hate seeing such helpless people who are just trying to enjoy a game. Though they are improving it a bit with the None Varium users getting new armors and such.

But uhm, yeah on the Enhancements note, no I do not think they should be removed. This is simply my opinion.

I think we shouldn't have to pay for our names over and over again in name changes. That's my only issue with the game majorly.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 30
7/30/2011 17:50:26   
AxeOFury
Member

Just make 8 enhancements like 300 varium :)
AQ  Post #: 31
7/30/2011 18:05:02   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


Jz you are right the problem with enhancemens lies in what to do if they are to be removed or altered.

Now i do remember somewhere the Devs saying added features will not be removed, most likely from the time when every other EDF member had the Agility and focus are hell sig.

But your removing enhancements from all gear here on out so Tesla Armor being the last thing to get enhancements now this would work but you would have to wait for every piece of gear that is currently out to be outdated to feel its affects and this could take say a year.

Now heres my thoughts on it we remove the button for acessing the Enhancement shop so that all current slots can stay and all current points can stay so no player can say they were ripped off. also with this no points could be moved they would be static like normal Stat modifers and then as time goes on enhancements would fade into nothingness and the players who currently have enhancements can keep them. Also all the new gear would have to have 0 slots so someoen couldnt say hack to bring up the shop and enhance their gear.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 32
7/30/2011 18:15:51   
Wraith
Member
 

quote:

Devil's you are very correct, the game has put themselves in a very difficult position of past paid enhancements. What to do? For players who paid, they loose their varium value nearly 50%, and for players who are non-varium or on budget, it is a tiring effort to obtain these credit enhancements.

If they remained at the primary as they first implemented, I don't think this would have been so frustrating. But now every single competitive item has enhancements attached, will the new robot, what about helm/haircut enhancements?

They could eliminate it immediately from items here on, I don't think it would be an issue, or decrease the slots slowly. This was one of the largest errors, in my opinion, this game made, by adding another tier of paying players above the cost of weapons.

Long term, this will suffocate the player base as it already has done to some degree.

Can this game apply features and experience beyond just weapon sales for monies? Either they don't know how, or they are not willing to expand themselves to do it as of yet.


Erm, Helmet enhancements are feasible. SImply sharpen that spike on that merc armor and ram someone with it :D.

Decreasing slots slowly... That isn;t smart. Slowly means more retraining. I don't even do 10 kills a day anymore. And yes, 1 kill per minute and I do less kills... It'll take me roughly 2 days of work for 1 retrain. It gets washed out in the next enhancement nerf. Well, I sometime do some more wins, but thats off topic

I really hope there isn't a new OPed bot. Varium is getting expensive to the point that an item costs 5$, and enhancing costs 8$ or so.

AxeoFury 7/30/2011 17:50:26: Same logic, lolz. Refund players. There is also an issue. Players like Flath, Moesha, etc. don't give a crap about refunds. They barely play!

An idea for enhancement would be the 1 enhance only per weapon. Rares get 3. Ultra rares get 4. It wouldn't be that hard....refund the Varium to the credit card. Actually, send an email to the player, asking whether sending the refund to inventory as Varium or to credit ccard. Credits get refunded as credits...or tokens for the next kind of enhancement.

Stats' worth is raised, making FTP and PTP on the same level. Enhancements are token only. 75 tokens the first one, 80 the second, 100 the thrid, 125 the fourth. Total of 280 battles. Its a benefit. 3500 credits is around 100 battles. Its a benefit in the long run.

A table:

     Varium      Tokens
1    40              75
2    50              80
3    50              100
4    100            125


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AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 33
7/30/2011 18:57:17   
edwardvulture
Member

@OWA Would they modify it?
I had this great idea I suggested to make enhancements come with the weapon (called movable stats), and that after you buy the weapon, you have the choice to enhance it, but at most the difference between enhanced and unenhanced would be 8 stat points.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 34
7/30/2011 19:54:42   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


@^ of that i am not sure
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 35
7/30/2011 20:31:23   
Elf Priest JZaanu
Constructive!


If the AE/ED team thinks this format can survive for long term, I will be one of those saying about another year.

Why is there encumbrance? The reason, bulk stat weapons and your hard earned enhancements you all payed for are getting less, yet you are paying more for each additional stat point.

Do you all actually think the 4 stat points or even 3 has same value as it did when level cap was 30, sadly it doesn't. This trend will continue as this same formula for double varium price for a weapon or 1 month(average) of credit work for the same item. As this formula easily drains your energy and funds, the stat progression encumbrance devalues your hard earned stat points.

If you don't believe me, go to wiki and continue to see the scales going upward.

http://www.epicduelwiki.com/index.php/Stat_Progression


There have been so many features and innovative ideas that varium could be used for, yet the AE/ED is so focused on weapons.


So the question is still the same, can this game add honest varium features where people can enjoy the experience of "classic" Epic Duel?

My patience on this aspect has dwindled.


< Message edited by JZaanu -- 7/30/2011 20:34:23 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 36
7/30/2011 20:34:46   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


Jz can i ask for your opinion on what an honest varium feature is becuase until we hear something this might as well be mindless babbling that is likely to solve nothing(poor side affect of a forums where we cannot discuss suggestions)
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 37
7/30/2011 20:40:36   
Elf Priest JZaanu
Constructive!


Many good ones in the suggestions, and here is my list. I have quite a bit I had submitted to various game personal, but over time, I will add those to my list.
http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=19325425


Others can include map access, npc access, and different exclusives, licenses for different projects.

I had made many, and many players have added great ideas too.

< Message edited by JZaanu -- 7/30/2011 20:42:57 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 38
7/30/2011 20:49:45   
Shadronica
Member

Thanks Jzaanu. You have brought up another huge problem with this game ... enhancements.

I totally agree with you. The game developers are/should be aware how much enhancements are despised not only for the cost of money but for the time we have to spend to get credits to buy them. It makes the game more of a chore than a fun game.

The enhancements were one of the game breakers that they introduced that effects our battles infinitely.

There has been many mistakes that have been introduced to ED that has taken the pleasure right out of the simple game of PvP. It wouldn't have been hard to have a balanced game until they decided to bring in the money devouring features. They should have only allowed enhancements on our primary weapons. That way we could have retained unique builds without them being so overwhelming.

They won't fix this problem I am sad to say but I totally understand your frustration Jzaanu.

If only they had thought to receive a bit of income from many players they would have had to open more servers rather than closing them instead of taxing a few players heavily and closing servers.



< Message edited by Shadronica -- 7/30/2011 21:03:20 >
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 39
7/30/2011 20:52:39   
Deimos...
Member

Well, in aika all enchantments are free. What I mean is you buy enchant ments with gold.
Even mounts have enchantments, and it is also bought with gold. Now that I thought of it, not a single weapon , armor, accessory, etc.... None of them cost real money.
Yet people still buy lots of gpots with real money.
Why? Because there is a special shop where you can use gpots to buy small bonuses.
But!!!!!! You can also get it in game for FREE from a drop, quest, or event. Let's say you play 1 hour a day, therefore the next day you get 1 or more event items by pressing "T".( because ATM, they are in a 1 hour log in event.)

Some examples of that, is.... You can buy a potion and scroll box with real money, where if you right click it, it gives you potions and scrolls. BUT, you can also get it by leveling up 10 times. In your inventory, there is a box to help you. What it does is give you a bonus every time you get to lvl 10...20....30...40...50...60...70...80...99. You can also buy it from the Auction House for lots of gold. ( like 200-500k depending on the players decision of selling it. I once got one for 10k :D)

< Message edited by Deimos... -- 7/30/2011 20:55:07 >
Epic  Post #: 40
7/30/2011 21:02:09   
Elf Priest JZaanu
Constructive!


For Shadronica: I am hoping AE/ED can see the future then immediate issues. With no positive player base supporting the game at free-will, it will suffer.

For Deimos: Those are all fabulous "features", and this game can do the same within the context of a chaotic climate in Delta V
AQW Epic  Post #: 41
7/30/2011 21:19:36   
bighobbo
Member

Enhancements cost way too much for both varium and credits. The idea of enhancement itself is not a bad idea, but when it costs you 1700 varium or 170000 credits to enhance ONE weapon fully (10 slots), that is way too much. 700 varium or 70000 credits is much more reasonable.

< Message edited by bighobbo -- 7/30/2011 21:20:48 >
Post #: 42
7/30/2011 21:34:23   
DeathGuard
Member

I think a new feature that could be added should be reserving a LQS wep, since not all can be at 1:00 AM awake to buy the armor what about a system that allows you to reserve the wep and when you log in, a window pops and asked you if you will buy armor or not? If you say that you won't it would be put back in the LQS Shop.
An exchange trading, varium for tokens, lets say 100 varium=500 tokens. What do you think guys?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 43
7/30/2011 23:44:46   
Giras Wolfe
Member

100% agreed, Jzannu. I bought 10,000 varium and purchasing literally no new equipment I'm down to 3,300. It's amazing how fast enhancements will flush your varium. And if you go full-enhance, then to make an equally competent different type of build you'd need to full-enhance the new items too. It's just getting more and more ridiculous. Whats next? 12 enhancement slots per item? Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Its disgusting how fast enhancements will take 50 buck down the drain. That's a year of full benifits in AQW and here, its practically nothing. Enhancement slots are just a cheap feature, because they require no visual design or effort. They also make build abuse hilariously easy. I confess to having a 145 support build, but I would gladly trade that away for the better balance and more equipment purchasing power of no enhancement slots (and, say a 50-75% refund for the slots too.) Either that, or radically lower both the varium and credit prices of enhancements, so we can enhance all our weapons.

< Message edited by Giras Wolfe -- 7/30/2011 23:45:33 >
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 44
7/30/2011 23:59:02   
Shadronica
Member

I can't even count the number of times that players have complained to me personally about spending $50 on varium packs then using them to enhance a few measly items and the varium is gone immediately. Its a joke that the USA economy is in such strife yet Artix Entertainment can't see that they are burning good paying customers with such high priced varium packs.

Nobody would mind so much if the enhancements were priced reasonably and the varium packs ranged from $5 - $20 but $50 is a huge ask especially for children to which this game is targetted.

I would have thought that with all my attempts to ask them to reduce their prices that someone ... somewhere ... somehow ... sometime just might see sensible reasoning but up to now there is just a strong silence on the varium problem from the Artix admin.

Artix does not do drugs or alcohol but if he did then at least I could see why he wants so much money to play a basic online game.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 45
7/31/2011 0:02:38   
xxmirxx
Member
 

JZaanu I honestly don't want lose my enhancement. sorry but I actually like enhancement it helps non varium a bit.
AQ Epic  Post #: 46
7/31/2011 0:08:04   
Elf Priest JZaanu
Constructive!


Giras and others, it is something we hear over and over, but it has been avoided for what ever reasons. As this game continues, at our cap levels, the encumbrance will devalue any enhancement made regardless if it is credit or varium.

As many said, this game has become a chore. While AQW has fabulous fun-filled events, we are all working hard to gain a competitive edge anyway we can, and this is just not right. To date, this game has 0 events.

This game needs to simplify the pvp aspect where stats hold their value and builds can compete without stat bloating and weapon gimmicks.

For a game that requires such high monies to maintain a competitive balance, there is not enough community features. This is very serious, and I do hope AE/ED is respectfully viewing this thread and many other threads that could be deemed as "complaints".
AQW Epic  Post #: 47
7/31/2011 0:18:41   
Master Volcon
Member

I think if they would have kept the max at 8, and made it primary, armor only then it would be a lot better. People would be a lot more supportive.
I don't think it would be that difficult to refund all gun and aux enhancements, but then again i have never made an awesome game like ED.

Thats my take on the matter.

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AQW Epic  Post #: 48
7/31/2011 0:32:46   
Giras Wolfe
Member

Maybe I've never made this exactly clear. Here goes.

Epicduel is an extremely competitive game, as you all know. People will do anything for that slight competitive edge of a few stat points. Level up quickly, get that weapon with a few extra stats, make sure every point is distributed properly.

Then enhancement slots are released to primaries. All those players craving that edge felt they had no choice but to buy in. It wasn't even that bad -- 4 slots for most weapons, at a painless 300 varium, a few for 700, and an elite few weapons costing up to 1200 for full enhancement. Overall, a tolerable feature and only a small drain on money and balance.

But then, they go too far. Much, MUCH too far. First they add slots to armors, and increase all primary enhancements by two slots. This means as much as 500 more varium per item. And if you fully enhance item A and not item B, you feel obligated to use item A because it's objectively more powerful. You're also reluctant to buy item C, because if you don't enhance it, it won't make you any stronger then item A, even if it looks cooler and will give you more builds. If you choose to ignore enhancements entirely, you get creamed by those who don't. Going halfway is a good compromise, but it still denies you that top-edge battle power that you paid good money for.

Then, they simply put the last two nails in the coffin, enhancement slots to sidearms and auxillarys. This just amplifies the problem. That's 30-40 slots for one set of items. Or, to translate, at least a good 4,000 varium. Remember when that got you four unique and ready-to-use items? Hah, well that was the past. Smart varium players are left with these options:

1) Ignore enhancements and be nearly as weak as a nonvarium as contrasted to fully enhanced players.

2) Enhance only four items fully and try to use them for all builds based on the stat flexibility. You will grow to hate the damage type, stat requirements, and stat boosts of these items as you grow tired of the narrow range of builds these items allow.

3) Pay ludicrous amounts of varium to fully enhance everything.

Isn't epicduel so much more fun and high quality this way? Don't you feel you're getting so much more bang for the buck? Or is this yet another lazy way to siphon money off the gullible, the rich, and the addicts? (See the whole war kills nightmare for a chrystal-clear example of this.)

I recently purchased a $50 package, mainly to get the delta weapons, and I do believe I regret it. There's so much else in this world you can do with $50. But we choose to spend it on your game. Is this really how you repay us? By upping the ante and leaving low payers and no payers even further behind in the dust?

I don't even want to go into how this has trashed the games balance and made us scramble to undo the damage enhancement slots have clearly caused by nerfing skill trees and stat progressions.

Seriously, name one truly positive thing enhancement slots has done for this game's battle system.

I'll give you guys the benefit of a doubt that you want to undo this mess now. The question remains: how? First of all, is it really hard to refund enhancement slots? Surely you could write some sort of algorithm to automatically sellback the enhancements, then remove the feature. I'm open to other ideas, and even sacrificing some of the varium I've spent on this monstrosity to kill it.

Think totally trashing the feature is too extreme? Then lower the price to something less hideously unfair. Ten slots should be 1000 varium, TOPS. One full power weapon for the price of one weapon is more then fair. Again find a way to repay the relevant player. This is a must.

I want to spend money on this game, I honestly do. But all that money keeps draining off into this useless, balance wrecking, despicable feature and it has simply got to go.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 49
7/31/2011 1:04:06   
edwardvulture
Member

Well state Giras.
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