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2/16/2012 21:18:49   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

TM are fine now. All I think about them is Overload should have a 35% stun chance because it does not hit very hard at high lvls. Merc and BH are a little UPed now. BL could use a buff and BS should go back to lasting 5 turns. And SA should be replaced with a brand new good passive. Or restore the 10% deflect chance and remove the useless stun chance. But then again that would encourage more tanking.
AQW Epic  Post #: 26
2/17/2012 16:18:40   
Lord Machaar
Member

Hmm... Well what you called "Old Classes" is the starter classes (BH/M/TM) but new classes (CH/TM/BM) you need to pay Varuim/Credits to be one of those classes. So obviously they should be more Powerful?
MQ Epic  Post #: 27
2/17/2012 16:23:06   
Ranloth
Banned


 No they should not, need Staff quote on it? So what's the point of balancing them if CH should be stronger than basic classes? It's OP'ed so can stay so. They only give more variety to the game, not power boost.
AQ Epic  Post #: 28
2/17/2012 16:25:42   
Cookielord12
Member

lol BH are not UP
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 29
2/17/2012 16:36:03   
Lord Machaar
Member

@trans- if the 6 classes (Old ones and New ones) are Equals so why i'm gonna change my class if the result will be same and why you need to waste 900varuim/50.000credits to see same result?
So i think new classes worth to be more Op!
MQ Epic  Post #: 30
2/17/2012 16:46:39   
DeathGuard
Member

quote:

@trans- if the 6 classes (Old ones and New ones) are Equals so why i'm gonna change my class if the result will be same and why you need to waste 900varuim/50.000credits to see same result?
So i think new classes worth to be more Op!
Such foolish thinking, if you change class is to have more variety of skills and new strategies, not for being more powerful, at last is your decision to class change or I'm not right? If that is so, that new classes should be Oped, then I will quit supporting and playing this game because that perspective and thinking on this issue isn't the right.

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TM are fine now.
I hate when they do this, if you don't play Tech Mage class consecutively, don't talk about it being fine, as simple as that. TMs needs some revamping and some buffs on other skills, they need to re-arrange skill tree to give tms more varieties in skill trees.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 31
2/17/2012 16:47:07   
Ranloth
Banned


 May you back it up with a quote saying Evolved classes should be stronger/OP'ed? So why do they try to bring CH down? They are evolved so OP'ness should exist.
Result will be the same and? It's all about variety, not having big advantage over basic class.

Will agree with DeathGuard too! I am TM since Class Change was out (was BH before) and turned TLM not soon after it came out but turned back to TM just before it got slightly nerfed. So I do have fair experience of the class. Skills could use re-arrangements as currently I pretty much have all the skills but SC and most of skills are at Lvl 1. Adding a bit different synergy would be better, along of Merc or BH where you can pick different skills on one side and would have good synergy.

< Message edited by Trans -- 2/17/2012 16:58:03 >
AQ Epic  Post #: 32
2/17/2012 16:59:24   
Wraith
Member
 

 I agree that CH needs a nerf.

As a Tank CH, I got over a hundred kills without taking a single loss, only spending about 5 boosters o the way.

I could NEVER do that as a TLM or Mage.

Even in Gamma, EMP BH was still hard.

EDIT: Lord Machaar, deal with it. CH WILL be nerfed. I've gotten confirmation from Illuminator on this matter.

You are a CH, and do not want to give up your perfect ratio. Sorry to break it to ya bud.

< Message edited by Wraith -- 2/17/2012 17:00:30 >

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AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 33
2/17/2012 17:09:26   
Lord Machaar
Member

Look Buddai i said New classes which it includes (CH/TM/BM) and if you thought i said something about CH, Then read my topics again
If they Nerf CH it doesn't matter anyways because i've been through same situation when i was Support TM, the class got nerfed again and again and again and i wouldn't of change my class if i wasn't Forced to change it, and the same problem is here again "Balances" you was saying that TLM is Op and blah blah blah and they nerf it and now "CH" is OP now and there is still Blah blah blah so i think those current balances is useless...
@DeathGuard- Hmm... i would like to respond but you don't deserve one!
MQ Epic  Post #: 34
2/17/2012 17:11:42   
DeathGuard
Member

quote:

Will agree with DeathGuard too! I am TM since Class Change was out (was BH before) and turned TLM not soon after it came out but turned back to TM just before it got slightly nerfed. So I do have fair experience of the class. Skills could use re-arrangements as currently I pretty much have all the skills but SC and most of skills are at Lvl 1. Adding a bit different synergy would be better, along of Merc or BH where you can pick different skills on one side and would have good synergy.
Thanks, I have already suggested this so many times in Balance Thread but it seems it is being ignored.

< Message edited by DeathGuard -- 2/17/2012 17:12:03 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 35
2/17/2012 17:48:58   
Ranloth
Banned


 To be fair, it's still good that TMs and BHs still manage to keep up. I only struggle with CHs at times + Poison TLMs, as well as Str but not always. If we talk along the lines of Mercs - they can suffer a lot. I have alt Merc at Lvl 28 with Varium Armor only and it's a pain to face even non-Varium at Lvl 30.
I'd say that balance still exists in basic classes but gets a bit different in evolved where it's easy win. BM has one build, maybe Support so I could count that in as they aren't as bad (glass cannons, so y'know).
AQ Epic  Post #: 36
2/17/2012 17:49:51   
Oba
Member

quote:

I hate when they do this, if you don't play Tech Mage class consecutively, don't talk about it being fine, as simple as that.


Then if you not play as CH you dont have any right claiming its OP??
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 37
2/17/2012 17:52:46   
DeathGuard
Member

@Playarn: Where I said Ch was oped? I have never said it was oped, you can search at Balance Thread and found out my posts that point out Ch isn't oped, it is too powerful though, the ability to regain energy is high and it needs to be nerfed. Another troll trying to bring me down, hmph!
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 38
2/17/2012 17:57:26   
Ranloth
Banned


 @playarn
Yeah we can't say it's not OP'ed because we haven't played it? I have Lvl 27 alt who's CH because TM got boring (had 2 TMs so wanted a change) and what strategy does CH involve against different builds? Malf -> Static -> Attack -> Massacre? With ultimate defence it's just that.
As TM, I have different ways to counter various builds. Assimilation to destroy some skills (takes just 3 Energy), Matrix is high to defend against Str builds or Physical-only items, a bit of Tank/Support build to be able to survive and yet have different skills to use every fight because strategy varies from class to class + build to build.
AQ Epic  Post #: 39
2/17/2012 17:57:55   
XxKirachanXx
Member

I really like being a techmage now, with the boost to Plasma bolt. With a strength/caster build, I can often beat other casters or strength builds, the only trouble I have is against tanks.

Now with my BH, which is varium, unlike my mage, is a little worse off. I don't think they should boost bounties so much as rework them a little. It seems that my only option is to be a strength BH. I find that if I can't dish out serious damage fast, I won't survive.
I've tried a support build, which although it was useful for NPCs, I was slaughtered the moment I went to PvP.
I tried another support build, this time with max shadow arts and reflex boost. And that was killed by the azrael bot. So I'm really limited to a strength build...and not a good one at that, since due to a poor choice, I'm kinda stuck with a 38 support requirement

< Message edited by XxKirachanXx -- 2/17/2012 18:00:21 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 40
2/17/2012 17:58:05   
Oba
Member

@DeathGuard, Im not a troll. I simply thought it was really stupid to say that you not can say whatever you think of a class. And I gave it right back at ya!

Then you cant say that CH is "too powerful" then, since you not are playing as it. Same thing...

quote:

Yeah we can't say it's not OP'ed because we haven't played it?


I said it only because DeathGuard claimed that those who not are TM cant say that they think TM is good as it is. Ofcourse can anyone say what they think of a class.... Jesus

< Message edited by playarn -- 2/17/2012 17:59:11 >
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 41
2/17/2012 18:03:42   
DeathGuard
Member

@Playarn: Overpowered and too powerful are two different terms, overpowered refers to something almost unbeatable, too powerful refers to somethings which has great strength but can be beated.
quote:

since you not are playing as it. Same thing...
Do you know me to say that? Do you think I haven't proved it? Well, someone like you shouldn't be spitting so much comments if you don't know nothing about it.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 42
2/17/2012 18:07:18   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

I'm just saying this in general. TLM,BM, and CH should be slightly stronger then the previous classes. I mean why on Earth would you pay 900 varium or 50,000k credits to be around the same strength? That makes no sense whatsoever. Also CH is OPed it is so obvious. I saw a CH regain 23 energy from 9 dmg! Static Charge is where the problem lies. It needs a nerf badly. It is ridicolous! Tank CHs are unstoppable. They usually have 28-34 + 9 def and 27-33 +12 res or 31-38 + 9 def and 25-30 +12 res. How on Earth can you stop that! And even though they don't very high using Primary,Sidarm or Aux. With malf they hit higher and even with low dmg like 9 they can regain 23 energy! 100% OPed. @Deathguard I've fought TMs before and have indeed lost to them. Infact they seem to be the most balanced class now IMHO.

< Message edited by IsaiahtheMage -- 2/17/2012 18:35:00 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 43
2/17/2012 18:10:51   
Oba
Member

quote:

Do you know me to say that? Do you think I haven't proved it? Well, someone like you shouldn't be spitting so much comments if you don't know nothing about it.


In your other comment you said you had to play as mage consecutively to say that it is good as it is. And you say that it is in need of a revamped skilltree , so I assume you are a mage then? And if so, you cannot say anything about CH's? If its so that you have another account, playing as CH, then I will withdrawn and be silent.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 44
2/17/2012 18:13:58   
DeathGuard
Member

@Playarn: I have been a mage since beta phase, plus a dear friend lend me his account which is a ch while he is on a trip, I have been playing several weeks with it and that is how I got my conclusion.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 45
2/17/2012 18:25:46   
AQWPlayer
Member

@DeathGuard
I have TM and CH too :D *highfive*
Truth is, I can't beat the OP classes, especially str CH or TLMs, because if they get blocked, the dmg they did before and after will more than make up for it. Tech Mages, on the contrary, do not have the luxury to abuse strength builds as effectively as the two classes mentioned above. Oh and against a dex CH...OMG I keep getting blocked with a dex build while they regain tons of energy every 2 turns =.="
AQW  Post #: 46
2/17/2012 18:32:22   
kosmo
Member
 

 i think that the biggest prob of BH TM and BM is that these classes wich have more offensive options then defensive ones, ofcourse a tank build winz better then a strenght build (wich dipends too much from first turn).Talking about mercs their field commander is a really hard skill to use, as usual, expecially if u miss first turn.It s a wierd idea but i think that making first turn improove both with support and strenght (ofcouse giving a boost to support) will solve most of offensive builds s problems.
Epic  Post #: 47
2/20/2012 15:01:55   
streetnaruto
Member

a all str bh? pfft those are the weakest too me my build goes 10 dex boost 10 multi 4 bloodlust 4 smoke and since i changed to this build i almost never lose. it got a little bad with str smoke plus az bot but now i have rusty but so its all gopd with defences 30-36 and resistance of 25-27 plus 6 res and high block and good damage dealing how can you beat that?
AQW Epic  Post #: 48
2/20/2012 15:10:00   
Ranloth
Banned


 @streetnaruto
By using EMP or Assimilate at right moment or use Technican/Energy Shield at right moment?
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