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3/7/2012 10:10:48   
gangster a
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Discuss what do you guys think about this?
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 1
3/7/2012 10:27:12   
Remorse
Member

Passives are not the problem here.

People often make many individual problems seem unique but often it's from the one main cause for most of the games problems.


And that is, too much stats => too much power => oped vairety destryoing builds => less stretgy involved wins => ENHANCED PASSIVES (side effect) => Unnecesary balance/skill/requimnet changes => increased impacting luck => unhappy players => too many balanace complaints => unnecesary skill changes and requiments => angry players => constant balance complaints => angry devs => ignored balance complaints => even angrier player...... etc.

Its sort of a never ending cycle which could be ended if the would only reduce the total amount of stats by either removing some enahments or changing how enhements works.

-Remorse Less.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 3/7/2012 10:29:02 >
Epic  Post #: 2
3/7/2012 10:30:02   
gangster a
Member

^ without enhancments i wouldnt have got the amount of wins i have now they would be converted into losses :O thats a bad idea.

plus most of the players rely on stats so to remove them would be a bad thing
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 3
3/7/2012 10:34:17   
Remorse
Member

^ Have you ever considered the fact that if some stats were removed that EVERYONE WOULD HAVE THEM REMOVED.....

How you are thinking about this is, you think that if something you have was removed it would disadvanatge you right???? EHHHH WRONG!
You see if everyone else has the bonuses stats aswell then how is it doing an benefits??? So how would it be a bad thing if it was removed??

I good analagy is this, If a superhero suddenly gave away the secret to be a super hero to everyone in other words everyone now had enahments then suddenly no one is a super hero because they are now all normal.

Im not saying all enahments should go but it defnatenly needs changing and perhaps some enhaments removed like gun/aux.


How would it change what wins you have unless of coarse you used only effortless powerbuilds to abuse the bonus stats to get a free win every time you start and or dont get unlucky.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 3/7/2012 10:38:39 >
Epic  Post #: 4
3/7/2012 10:37:40   
gangster a
Member

^ not true i use strategy but part of that strategy i use stat bonuses so then all my builds i create will be useless
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
3/7/2012 10:41:13   
Remorse
Member

Surely the same concept of the staregy would work just in a weaker apearance version.

Just because all builds have less stats and appear wekaer doesnt mean they are actuly weaker...

Because eveyone would have the same less defences and attacks aswel.

It is a hard concept to grasp for some.



WHY?? Suddeny can you not create builds without soo many stats??

Is it because the build would be weaker??? Because agian IT WONT please try to understand.
Epic  Post #: 6
3/7/2012 10:41:56   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Remorse Ashari has already made it clear enhancement's aren't going anywhere. SO their is no point and constantly talking about removing them because they are not leaving. Its best to change they work to fix OP spam builds.
AQW Epic  Post #: 7
3/7/2012 10:44:17   
Remorse
Member

^ I did mention to change them as an alterante...

I know she insists that they wont be removed but that doesnt means I should stop giving reasonable evidence as to why.

Plus I have created a way to CHANGE enahments and reduce the total amount of stat without removing the stat flexabailty.
Epic  Post #: 8
3/7/2012 10:50:26   
Prime Assassin
Banned

 

 enchhantments prices should be fixed 100 per enchant.
Post #: 9
3/7/2012 11:00:48   
Remorse
Member

Try not goo too far off topic...

What the discussion morfed into was how enhaments lead to balance problems such as the topic sugests OPED PASSIVES.

Prcicing is not the major problem in my eye, though it is one. Best leave that discussion for a diffrent thread.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 3/7/2012 11:01:27 >
Epic  Post #: 10
3/7/2012 11:15:29   
Stabilis
Member

This thread has reminded me to create a thread on a very important related issue. Thank you.

Passives I would say aren't all that gamebreaking, see Remorse's first post.
AQ Epic  Post #: 11
3/7/2012 12:45:09   
Hun Kingq
Member

You forgot weapons with requirements in the wrong place or no requirements at all.
Epic  Post #: 12
3/7/2012 12:57:56   
Prime Assassin
Banned

 

 hun for the last time beta weps are lvl 25 weps why do u want them nerfed so bad there only useable in one possible build.
Post #: 13
3/7/2012 13:16:16   
Stabilis
Member

Considers the block button.
AQ Epic  Post #: 14
3/7/2012 13:52:36   
Hun Kingq
Member

Prime Assassin, do you even know what nerf means, to reduce its power to weaken. Putting requirements on weapons will not take away its damage it ill still have +28, you will not be able to have stat free range so a Level 31 player with 3 lower levels will not be able to have high health, high energy, and a stat as high as a Level 34 player or another level 34 player having stats higher than other level 34 players. Does not matter what class you are weapons should not give that unfair advantage.

So whether you like it or not weapons have to have requirements in the right place for all classes and if weapons get any enhancements especially 10 then they should get the appropriate requirements for the level, the damage, and the amount of enhancements they get.
Epic  Post #: 15
3/7/2012 13:55:21   
Fay Beeee
Member

Romorse
I am puzzled here about the removal of some stats

Example only and not all stats

25 stats 1 st player - 25 stats 2 nd player

remove some, lets say 5

20 stats 1 st player - 20 stats 2 nd player

Is not the situation EXACTLY AS BEFORE?

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Epic  Post #: 16
3/7/2012 14:04:14   
8x
Member

quote:

Is not the situation EXACTLY AS BEFORE?

Yes it is, but by having less stats both players must focus more on their strategy and skills.
Epic  Post #: 17
3/7/2012 14:08:06   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

And what exactly would this achieve by greatly nerfing everyone?
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
3/7/2012 14:10:03   
Ranloth
Banned


 As well as closing the Varium and non-Varium gap. No difference yet it costs less and gives you strategy.

@Isaiah
My point exactly about nerfing all the other classes but TLMs like you wanted. ;) Although less enhancements = smaller gap, more strategy and less power-builds.
AQ Epic  Post #: 19
3/7/2012 14:20:38   
Fay Beeee
Member

OK I get what you are saying BUT


just for example
1 player 25 strength - 2nd player 25 strength

after reductions where ever they decide to put their stats now
1 player 20 strength - 2nd player 20 strength

say they both decide the same, then how with this reduce the gap? The situation is still the same.
Is it not?
Epic  Post #: 20
3/7/2012 14:31:37   
Ranloth
Banned


 Exactly, there's no difference but the gap is smaller. You don't have to waste Varium to get new item AND enhance it afterwards as much as you do now just so you can compete.
This gives Varium a better value as it lasts for longer and you don't have to spend as much to stay strong.
Non-Variums are very least likely to afford Credit enhancements while Variums can, now there's less enhancements so gap is smaller. ^_^
AQ Epic  Post #: 21
3/7/2012 14:37:35   
Fay Beeee
Member

Thank you I now DO understand what you are saying.

It would be a way to save varium.

(and btw I enhance with credits - but I do know that not all players can get on as much as me.)
Epic  Post #: 22
3/7/2012 14:45:13   
IsaiahtheMage
Member

@Trans I'm not starting that discussion again. Besides this isn't even about enhancements. Please stay on-topic.
AQW Epic  Post #: 23
3/7/2012 15:24:39   
Prime Assassin
Banned

 

 dude people only use beta weps becuase they have no requirements. and only ONE build is even effective with them. why in the hell are u wanting to nerf the lvl 25 beta weps when ch are the op?
Post #: 24
3/7/2012 17:48:49   
AQWPlayer
Member

@Prime Assasin
LolDewd. Beta weps are a reward to those who supported the game early, so it makes sense for them to be able to spam stats for a while? Plus, the new weapons with +34 dmg and close stats are far more OP, considering that you can use them to EMP or atom smash for higher amounts AKA counter beta weps.
AQW  Post #: 25
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