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3/25/2012 11:19:10   
Arachnid
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quote:

Heroes had arrived thanks to the light from the ship, but were too late. The Duke raised his sword to execute him and cut off The Dealer's Head in one blow. The heroes of the city were too horrified to move. They always thought The Dealer was a constant among this place. Picking up the severed head in one hand and the body in the other, amidist a mighty thunderbolt he thriumpantly yelled "THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO DARE DEFY THE BROTHERHOOD OF ORDER! LET IT BE KNOWN THAT SUPER CITY IS DOOMED!"With that, he threw the corpse over the side to fall onto the strret below.

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

~Lady Zafara

EDIT: PAGE 4 FOR THE COLLAB!
AQW  Post #: 76
3/25/2012 11:23:52   
megakyle777
Member

Well, you didn't want the Duke to go down so easily. It was a fight to the death, and it's too early for him to die.

And don't worry too much. The Dealer will have had PLENTY of contignecy plans in case of death. But for now...he is gone.
DF  Post #: 77
3/25/2012 11:27:35   
Jessa K
Member
 

But... The death of the Dealer is like the death of cherry pie, or marshmallows!
AQW  Post #: 78
3/25/2012 11:31:50   
megakyle777
Member

Like I say last page, he WILL be back. I intend to write an short epilouge at the end of this tale and threat regarding that.
DF  Post #: 79
3/25/2012 12:04:00   
Shadowlord9k
Member

Kyle: Does that mean he will become a zombie?
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 80
3/25/2012 12:08:27   
megakyle777
Member

No, he will not become a zombie.

spoiler:

One of The Dealer's devices for cheating Death is a kind of Resurection Chamber. Basicly it perfectly recreates the person, aside from the few moments before and during death to avoid insanity brought on by, well, remembering what it felt like to be decapitated.
DF  Post #: 81
3/25/2012 14:45:31   
Shadowlight1
Member

I posted my chapter, a bit shorter than I would have liked, but I didn't have much time.
~Eclipse
DF MQ AQW  Post #: 82
3/25/2012 15:30:12   
delta blitz
Member

Awesome new chapters x3, though I'm a bit sad that i chose this time to continue my story, when i know that this collab supercedes it...meh oh well. So much imbalance coming from those who seek to bring order PAHAHAHAHA, people getting captured, people getting killed, people joining the order x3 this story is a masterpiece in the making.

quote:

"No one, even one with the might of a god can oppose the Order..."


O.o *cough* didn't think eclipse was at that level but meh I'll leave that be.
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 83
3/25/2012 15:33:01   
Shadowlight1
Member

Eclipse himself isn't at that level but the spirit of Lunarox is basically a god
~Eclipse
DF MQ AQW  Post #: 84
3/25/2012 19:09:26   
Kinzdor
Member

Posted a new chap. It shows what happened to Omnicorp after the Dealer`s death, and yes I did speak with him about this.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 85
3/25/2012 21:40:12   
Drakkoniss
Creative!
Constructive!


I think I will read a bit of this, now, starting where I left off. It's been much too long...

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All of a sudden the door was smashed in by some kind of knight.

HYPOCRICY!!!!!!!!!!! Meh. Idc.

quote:

"We at the order feel Alcohol to be a sin."

I do not, though actually getting drunk from it is wrong. I'd explain myself, but that would be getting into religion, and I'd much rather read the story, as it is such a small part of it.

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"Our amour is impenetrable by any weapon or method. Work for us and we shall give you the secret, to do as you see fit. I imagine that would be useful for your own forces."

I want to know about their flaming swords. -.-

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The knight told The Dealer their plan.

This, you could've done a bit better on... Personally, I would've writen "The time passed, as the knight told The Dealer their plan."

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Also, what about innocents? You will harm them in your crusade."

Sometimes, goodsir, sacrifices must be made in war in order to accomplish a goal. Causalties naturally would occur in such an effort, both as a result of the actions of the Brotherhood (as it should more properly be called), and as a result of the Smashers.

That being said, his saying that everyone is guilty of something comes of as extremely brash and insensitive, and the elimination of the entirety of the city to destroy those that are in the wrong, even if the majority, is not warranted, at least in this case. Things could be far worse, and in certain cases, I acknowledge that would be the best option, but not in this one.

While some would say the Dealer's offer would have been good to take, one must also note that with Omnicorp still in commission, the Smashers of the city would be gaining more and more resources, and their campeign would be negatively effected in many ways. It would probably strategically be the best move to act as they did, even if it would seem morally wrong. The offer to the Dealer in their minds was stated to be one to allow for redemption, without which, he would not be worth leaving. That's a bad way of phrasing it, but it is true that that is/was effectively their stance on the matter. If not a help, a hinderance.

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but a bullet to the head would affect anyone

Not entirely true, and he knew it. -.-

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The bullet just bouced off with no ill effect to the person inside.

I suspect padding inside, along with the specific properties of the armor. Also, at the very least the one that was fightign Clown apparently has powers/a power, due to his ability to just get up after being hit by Clown's electrically-based attack. There is also the fact that he was so acrobatic in the air, apparently (noted from the scene where he blocked the beam on his shield), to indicate that. I don't believe they are slowed down much by the metalic armor, either, though their range of motion might be somewhat impeded.

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... and was trapped in a inpenatrable sphere.

For some reason, I am/was expecting him to break free from it...

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I have a feeling such a item will become VERY popular soon. Dealer out."

Oh, yes, I think it would. Probably remain popular for some time to come, as well.

...

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Listen, fool of Hell!"

That just sounds weird. ._.

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"It only fits for a demon to fight the other demons."

... That is a particularly skewed point of view... Also, due to Star's response, it makes me wonder how/what he knows about them and/or their goals...

Star seems particularly old fashioned, oddly. Feels odd.

quote:

Get it? Knight's and medieval times? Jester's are also usually associated with medieval times.

WHYYYYYY?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Oh, the ham-fisted horror...

quote:

before giving him the chance to stab,

Makes me wonder how many people actually try to stab with crosses...

Also, for some reason, Star Screamer doesn't come across as particularly demonic. I blame The Jester, and Star's interactions in the human realm.

quote:

leading up to the snow covered alter.

Is it just me, or did Hell freeze over?

quote:

The knight removed his dented helmet,

... I am both wondering if he has recieved any damage to his cranium, and if the armor is weak to demonic power. Along with those things, I wonder if he wasn't wearing the "impenetrable" armor, though that seems unlikely... Interesting turn of events.

Star Screamer seems to have extremely sensitive hearing, but his eyesight is not improved too much, though he actually may not have been in the line of sight, even though the knight could see him...

quote:

"YOU WILL NOT BIND ME! I WOULD RATHER BE BEATEN BY A LITTLE GIRL THAN BOUND BY YOUR WHIM!"

I agree with Jessa's apparent notion that it would be funny if she beat him. Then again, I didn't read that comment recently, so meh.

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He was in his divine state.

... That makes me wonder if the term divine could actually technically describe such a thing...

Ah. Seems they weren't actually in Hell, after all. Makes it somewhat disappointing. Would've been somewhat more funny if the guy had actually somehow traveled there. Also more interesting, considering the implications...

The knight's reaction seems to indicate that due to his leaving it was unsuccessful, but I wonder if it wouldn't still be in effect but Star Screamer wouldn't have to do anything because they couldn't contact him.

...

I can see why the concern about just how powerful they are started to come up. Considering what Star Screamer is, and that he was at his shrine, which presumably gives him extra power when he's there, I wonder if that shouldn't be the exception to the rule, and not a true measurement of there power... of course, there is still more to read, and I suspect it is worse later on, but meh.

...

quote:

A villain in a machine in a giant robot machine was attempting to drill a hole in a hero.

WHY YOU NO UPGRADE, MR. PURPLE?!?!?!?! D:

WE WANT GATTLING GUNS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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He wore shining armour, and looking into the substance of his sword, it could turn into flames.

This makes me wonder about Range's analytical capabilities...

quote:

"Weak heroes."

Outnumbered heroes, which are fighting villains which are in many cases funded by Omnicorp, which offers them deals specifically to allow them potential victory in whatever they are planning, many a times tailored towards defeating specific heroes, while specifically favoring that side of the affair. That being said, with the ulterior motives in many cases, and the mentality of the Dealer, many heroes would not wish to actually partake in such things, but regardless, it offers them a distinct advantage in many things. There are many other factors that go into play, as well, such as suprise, which allows the villains to succeed if they plan it correctly without an opportunity for interference from heroes. This tends not to happen too often, because of a combination of the fact that there are enough heroes in the city to allow them to eventually encounter them after the crime is commited and before they can return to Skull Deep, and the fact that not too many villains can and/or do plan well enough to make their opperations seamless, and their escape both easy and swift, but still. Suprise also allows them to cause significant property damage, and cause quite a bit of havoc, before anything can be done about it.
That is without taking the forces of pointless chaos into account. -.-

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He felt immense pain, but he ripped the sword's properties into pieces with such force that it would have have felt like a nuclear bomb exploding on that pathetic knight.

I will assume this would be refering to atoms or molecules... Rather interesting way of putting it, and somewhat reckless to make it explode with such force, but meh. I can understand it.

Hmm... Judging on what he said later, regarding the arm, it might actually be more likely that it was the crystaline structure he was ripping apart. Tissues and muscle fibers, among other things, would most likely be what he meant about the arm, though.

Interesting revelation, concerning the voidrix. Makes combating them a much bigger threat than it might've been otherwise, and while I questioning if he should've been able to do that with the armored arm, it actually would make sense, with his powers, but my querry would be about whether or not it would have resistances to such a thing. That being said, though, that would make them RIDICULOUSLY OP. lol (I wonder if all of them have that, and if it is just a special "if I actually get hurt, I will take my opponent with me" technique, and not what's really flowing through their veins)

...

/me wished he knew more about Voldo

I like the fact that the Brotherhood of Order's men are having their power capabilities shown to be extensive, but with so many people dealing with them immediately, instead of giving background information about what they are doing, and focusing on other things, before eventually having their bits tie into the story in a major way, it seems odd... Generally, you don't want to have things come to a head so quickly. You need subplots, and emotional connections to the reader. Background information, exposition, leadups, ect. The story needs substance, and things that are going on, other than just the attempts of the Brotherhood to destroy or ally with the characters you control.

Range actually made an interesting attempt at this, and I find that Voldo's leadup to the encounter makes sense, but still... Certain things must be done, in order to make a cohesive and entertaining story.

I find it somewhat sad that the knights are shown to be rude and somewhat petty. A certain feel to them, as a whole, needs to be established, I think. To have individualism, yet to have certain traits that are common to their group, particularly in the personality and point of view area. They need to seem somewhat more dignified, but also somewhat arrogant and definitely firmly founded in their beliefs that the Smashers, and the city as a whole, are corrupt. They need not seem to be of a similar or friendly standing to the writer's character, during dialogue, though a certain ammount of courtesy and lenience might be warranted, in certain cases. They probably should seem to have an overarching strategy, and while their targeting of high priority targets I suppose is acceptable, I am not quite sure that they would just wontonly attack them, after the bargaining with The Dealer went south. If they were only testing them, and verifying information, it would be an interesting tactic, I suppose, but I am not sure if it would be that strategically prudent... but whatever... Star Screamer's chapter makes some sense, as they'd likely be trying to gain as much in the way of resources to devestate them as possible...
Overall, I'd think they'd be somewhat more covert...

quote:

"I invited Myself, you call this a fun land? Pah, it's just a fusion of shadows and mist, not even close to that Clown's madhouse!"

Oh, and this specifically doesn't sound very paladinly.

Interesting way of talking, Voldo presents. Interesting points of view and conclusions, too, though I do not entirely agree with them.

quote:

"I know and there is a reason for that, for you see the people that call themselves Chaotic actually bring Order, in their acts they put the Chaotic war of Good vs Evil on hold and gives the Earth more time to recover from the mess that will happen eventually, And like I said earlier, in their attempts to destroy the world it brings Order for there is no one left to make Chaos, people who are Chaotic say they are ingulfed with insanity, But I have found another name for the word insanity.... and that word is the Truth."

I disagree with that for many reasons. For one, the struggle of good and evil still has continued, at least in this universe, quite consistantly. Secondly, while a certain ammount of chaos is in fact needed to keep the natural order, to bring the entirety of all the living beings of the world to death would not cause order, but a stagnant void, both chaos and order at once, because it goes against the natural order, which dictated that there be life in at least some areas of the universe, and because there would be a lack of the violence usually associated with chaos, lately, for some reason. I very much dislike that philosophy.

I doubt that many of the members of the Order would accept that as an excuse that would make his crimes acceptable. All of the beings later could claim the exact same thing. No, I think they would most likely at least attempt to execute him, or possibly hold him indefinitley, if the fact that his destruction would cause the cosmic order to be disrupted is dicovered during the trial. His going without resisting only lowers his chances, in my oppinion and analysis.

...

I will post this now, and I shall edit it with commentary furthermore.

...

Well, now that I come to it, and now that it's after dinner, it's really too late to seriously comment, anymore... So I suppose I'll watch one more episode of Naruto, and then log off...


< Message edited by Drakkoniss -- 3/25/2012 22:13:38 >


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DF  Post #: 86
3/25/2012 22:14:10   
Sir Night
Member

quote:

with so many people dealing with them immediately, instead of giving background information about what they are doing, and focusing on other things, before eventually having their bits tie into the story in a major way, it seems odd... Generally, you don't want to have things come to a head so quickly. You need subplots, and emotional connections to the reader. Background information, exposition, leadups, ect. The story needs substance, and things that are going on, other than just the attempts of the Brotherhood to destroy or ally with the characters you control.


I agree with this. It's good that the threat was established, but for now I think we should start focusing more on developing the story and having the characters interact with each other, and put the fight with the knights off until a little later. It would probably be a good idea for us to discuss where we're going with this exactly.

EDIT: Oh, and this story has been reminding me of the story mode of Super Smash Bros. Brawl for some reason.

< Message edited by Sir Night -- 3/25/2012 22:18:54 >
Post #: 87
3/25/2012 22:19:41   
Goldstein
Member

OK, can I suggest a preliminary rough storyline that does not in any way have to even be considered?

Dealer's dead, so we know these guys are some bad dudes.
They invade the city. Heroes have epic battle with the Order while simultaneously trying to evacuate civilians, while villains scramble to secure their assets.
Heroes and villains go underground and reluctantly work together while the Order systematically executes the civilians still remaining.

Eh?
Post #: 88
3/25/2012 22:42:06   
Drakkoniss
Creative!
Constructive!


*sigh* All this calling of them by the term "The Order" gives my PvP clan a bad name. :/

Also, there is a good chance the Order would kill the citizens, rather than letting them escape, but regardless, we need to talk more with Clown about that.

We need to setup the situation more before jumping so far into the story, though, I think. Perhaps 1-3 chapters more for each person.
DF  Post #: 89
3/25/2012 23:46:12   
Question Mark?
Member

That sounds delicious, Mr. Goldstein!
I've posted my chapter now. It's definitely not as action-packed as any of the others, or even as funny. It's sort of a philosophical reflection upon the Order and their crusade, to be honest. I've designed my chapters (so far) to be little breaks in the action where we can see how the knights think and what sort of odd magical things are going on besides that.
(Oh, and yes, Thursday is already dead in this collaboration/reboot.)
AQ DF AQW  Post #: 90
3/26/2012 0:27:35   
Jessa K
Member
 

Wow... ?, that was really a (for lack of better terms) epically beautiful post.

I kinda really want to post, but at the same time, don't really know how. I've doge a couple collins in the past, but only with one other person at a time, and the plot was strict layed out before writing began.
AQW  Post #: 91
3/26/2012 9:39:36   
Zeuzt
Member

hey guys seen clown lately?
Post #: 92
3/26/2012 11:12:39   
Drakkoniss
Creative!
Constructive!


@Zeuzt: Nein.

Well, then, monsiuer le Mark?, I very much look foreward to seeing such things from you in the future. I have not read it, but it seems that it could be quite interesting... especially reading Jessa's comment.
DF  Post #: 93
3/26/2012 16:13:22   
Glais
Member

Haha, yeah this is far too long for me to read any time soon. However, in response to Immortales comment I was compelled to read MegaKyle's sections now...

Hm, I don't quite get it...he just died? Why would I react this Immortale?

Anyhow, the KoN remind me a lot of the Forever Knights of Ben 10 oddly. Interesting.
DF MQ  Post #: 94
3/26/2012 16:36:33   
star screamer
Member

Le diable has posted his chapter!
AQW  Post #: 95
3/26/2012 17:05:43   
Sir Night
Member

Well guys, I'm not comfortable with the religious themes that this story has taken on, so I've decided that I won't participate in this collab any further.
Post #: 96
3/26/2012 17:11:16   
Glais
Member

Well that's disappointing, as I've heard good things about your contributions. Oh well, I'm not participating at all so I suppose I have no say xP

Also, WOW. 4 pages in like a week. Took my story several months to get to 7...the power of collaboration!
DF MQ  Post #: 97
3/26/2012 17:39:11   
star screamer
Member

That's too bad Crocy.

(weird thing is, in real life I'm not religious, not one bit.)
AQW  Post #: 98
3/26/2012 18:27:05   
Arachnid
Member

quote:

Well guys, I'm not comfortable with the religious themes that this story has taken on, so I've decided that I won't participate in this collab any further.

Wait, what?

What happened? D=

~Lady Zafara
AQW  Post #: 99
3/26/2012 18:40:23   
Drakkoniss
Creative!
Constructive!


Pity... Even I (and I am quite religious) question whether or not I should seriously add religious context into any of my stories. To be fair, I very well might, in my backstory, but probably not any time soon...

This is one of the reasons that I believe certain things should be checked out first, before making it part of the story canon. Religion is a very touchy subject... Though I entirely understand why Star would want to do that, because of the nature of his character. I'd have to read his chapter to say whether it is really jumping into the deep end of the pool, but still. Sad to see Croc go (from this colab). :/
DF  Post #: 100
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