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5/3/2012 22:55:43   
Mordred
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Well, I think it's an incredibly reasonable assumption. I don't see why she wouldn't have him raised if she wanted him to lead her army. As for his death... Well, does it really matter how he died? :P
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 26
5/3/2012 22:57:50   
ArchMagus Orodalf
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Well, yes. Cagliari Lux was killed by Dhows after promising to meet the Commander Paladin and became Communicant of the Light Lord and occupied the position that the Commander Paladin is to take (leader of the Lady's army of Undead) despite being raised as Undead by Dhows, rather than by an agent of Light.
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5/3/2012 23:01:39   
Mordred
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Well, he's an interesting case, because didn't the Lady usurp control of Lux from Dhows?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 28
5/3/2012 23:03:58   
ArchMagus Orodalf
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Yes.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 29
5/3/2012 23:06:44   
Mordred
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Necromancy's so fun. I hope revamped necro will have a skill to use on undead in a similar manner. :P

Now I can't remember... What made the HoM special again? Yeah, it's a pretty big plot point, but I only remember what it allows, rather than how/why.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 30
5/3/2012 23:07:33   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 Actually, Falerin said a while back the the Lady raised Cagliari herself after blocking Dhows' necromancy; Cagliari appears to have misinterpreted what happened.
AQ DF  Post #: 31
5/3/2012 23:10:49   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

Whup. Okay, thanks, Rhowena. :) As usual, you're the one to go to when we have questions. :P

Actually, while you're here, I have a question: What is the history of the Mirror of Wyk? Is it Matthew Johansen's, or...?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 32
5/3/2012 23:38:49   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 Ryuusei said it was a "special copy," but nothing's been said beyond that. Regarding Paladin's condition, this exchange may also be useful:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Resistance is Feudal

Donovan: As tempting as the offer of pure holy meat might be, I have a different desire for you. You shall match the fate of the one whose name you bear.
Coeuraservi: You wish to make me into an undead? I will never serve you! Even in that state I shall resist you!


So his transformation did occur at some point in the past, and moreover his order retains some knowledge of it (though given the "undead = evil = KILL" attitude a disturbingly large number of them possess, they likely aren't aware of the specifics).
AQ DF  Post #: 33
5/4/2012 0:08:34   
Avoleii Evanesca
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quote:

...Seth Cay is Dhows is Epsilon is the Mysterious Stranger is Erebus...

Don't forget, the letters in SETH CAY DHOWS, if we take a good look at them(and rearrange them a bit), is actually an anagram of the word SHADOWSCYHE (familiar? yes? )
(hint the "Tom Marvolo Riddle-I Am Lord Voldemort" style of anagramy)
Coincidence? I think not! (no matter how much the staff tries to deny such a connection )



Post #: 34
5/4/2012 1:20:16   
Skull Kid
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quote:

...Seth Cay is Dhows is Epsilon is the Mysterious Stranger is Erebus...

Wait, WHAAT??? I didn't know that the Mysterious Stranger was the one immitating Dhows...

quote:

Don't forget, the letters in SETH CAY DHOWS, if we take a good look at them(and rearrange them a bit), is actually an anagram of the word SHADOWSCYHE (familiar? yes?)
(hint the "Tom Marvolo Riddle-I Am Lord Voldemort" style of anagramy)
Coincidence? I think not! (no matter how much the staff tries to deny such a connection)

Don't U mean Shadowscythe? I'd like to call it shaDHOWScythe and I'm pretty sure the Staff did that on purpose :P
I missed this thread and used the today's release thread and asked my questions there, but I still have moar questions,
What is this mumbo-jumbo between Shadowscythe and Dhows/MS.
What happened to MS?
Who the HECK is Mysterious Necromancer??

_______

~Suraj
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 35
5/4/2012 1:28:38   
Affinity
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 I don't think I can answer you very well, but I'll try.

The Mysterious Stranger is not immitating Dhows. They are one entity, if I am understanding it.

I don't think Dhows' name has anything related to Shadowscythe. Little I know of the Shadowscythe, but it's one of the dominant antagonists in DF, right? I'm guessing the timeline split has already taken care of the Shadowscythe.

The Mysterious Necromancer is...well, I'm not sure who he really is. But if you play the Quest for the Darkness Orb you can meet him.

I don't think I answered your questions well, did I?
AQ  Post #: 36
5/4/2012 1:50:29   
Skull Kid
Member

quote:

The Mysterious Stranger is not immitating Dhows. They are one entity, if I am understanding it.

Even I though the same I had to go through A Rose by any Other Name for about 3 times to actually understand that someone was immitaing Dhows and then this quote:
quote:

...Seth Cay is Dhows is Epsilon is the Mysterious Stranger is Erebus...

made me sure it was him, I'm confused! O.o
Shadowscythe were the big baddies of MQ and Kingadent Slugwrath was working with em. His son Drageth was working with Dhows... Is that all?
MN reanimated Drakath too and he was present in Tangled Web of Fate too, Someone from Dhow's order I guess.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 37
5/4/2012 1:53:09   
RedEyedDrake
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There is no single Mysterious Necromancer. They are a secretive order of Necromancers who all wear black hooded robes to conceal their identities. They were the ones responsible for the first ever undead war in AQ and are indeed the ones who reanimated Drakath. Diviara used to be a Mysterious Necromancer himself and, if I'm not mistaken, was actually the leader of this order until he turned good. He has since been replaced, of course. Previously in the Hall of Memories we have seen a Mysterious Necromancer meeting up with the Mysterious Stranger near Absolix's old base. There we found out that the Mysterious Necromancers styled themselves after the Mysterious Strangers' appearence. However, we have no reason to believe that Dhows actually founded this order.

The Mysterious Stranger is the leader of the Shadowscythe species. The Shadowscythe are a species of virus who infect other beings and use them as hosts. They are beings of darkness and thus have a weakness to the light element. A member of one of the first races corrupted by the virus appeared as a boss during the war against Absolix.

Dhows is the Mysterious Stranger and has always been him but actually hasn't always been him. Allow me to explain. In the "Mostly Harmful" cutscences Dhows explained he came into being when a different universe has suffered a great cataclysm of some sort and that he entered this universe from outside time.
Now, through discussion with the staff at the forums we confirmed some bits of in-game info to be accurate and this is what we learned. Dhows has been identifiend as a "transelemental, transdimensional shadow". LB said that shadows on Lore come from the shadow universe which was featured in the Seekrat saga. It has been stated in the Seekrat saga that the shadow unvierse is a universe where the boundaries between the elements of light and darkness have collapsed meaning it suffered a cataclysm that severly altered it. The staff have also stated that while the universe in which the cataclysm which brought Dhows into being happened is not dead/has not been destroyed by said cataclysm. Ergo, Dhows came into being when said boundaries collapsed and is a shadow being meaning he has affinity with both light and darkness.
As I said, Dhows stated that hecame into being the way he did and entered this universe from outside time. After some failed attempts at communicating he sought out someone he called "a being closer to my understanding", if I recall correctly. That being was the Mysterious Stranger, the leader of the Shadowscythe species. Dhows goes on to say that when he, a shadow entity, encountered the Mysterious Stanger he found "no shadow, only shade. Exposed to my darkness he was strengthened but exposed to my light he was destroyed" (Yeah, Dhows is a powerful being). Meaning that when he tried communicating with the Mysterious Stranger he ended up killing him. And due to Dhwos' nature of existing outside time said death ended up uncreating the Mysterious Stranger. But the universe was forced to ajust to this change and it did so by retconning itself by having Dhows himself become the Mysterious Stranger throught all of it's time. And there is connection between Seth Cay Dhows and the Shadowscythe because "Shadowscythe" is the word from which Dhows created the anagram "Seth Cay Dhows" when was coming up with the name. Dhows used many names and many alliases during his existence but he has no true name. Yet.
AQ  Post #: 38
5/4/2012 2:07:37   
Skull Kid
Member

I have moar doubts.
quote:

The Mysterious Stranger is the leader of the Shadowscythe species

Lord Valoth is the leader of the Shadowscythe species IIRC
quote:

Dhows explained he came into being when a different universe has suffered a great cataclysm of some sort and that he entered this universe from outside time.

Dhows was created by Vesperians(Carwright's race) and is Epsilon IIRC
quote:

Dhows used many names and many alliases during his existence but he has no true name. Yet.

Erebus?

________
~Suraj
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 39
5/4/2012 2:10:00   
Affinity
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 Ah, I see. Great explanations, Skull Kid and RedEyedDrake. Although, I thought Dhows' true name is Erubus, is it not? Also, what exactly is Dhows' goal? Would it be to eliminate Falerin? What exactly is Dhows, he is a Shadow, right? Looks like I'm not understanding it.
AQ  Post #: 40
5/4/2012 2:13:59   
Skull Kid
Member

Dhows has actual name, We are gonna name him Erebus I guess.
Dhows goal would be to eliminate Falerin and take his place as the God Of Evil in the Pantheon (I don't know even heck of a thing about the Pantheon, Caelestan or Lore, could someone explain?)
Yes, it would seem that Dhows is a shadow.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 41
5/4/2012 2:15:01   
RedEyedDrake
Member

1. I don't know who Lord Valoth is but these are different timelines anyway.

2. Dhows is indeed the man-made god who was known as Epsilon. But where does it say they created him? That hasn't been said anywhere. And "man-made" does not necessarily imply "creation" since it could just as easily refer to "alteration".

3. Yes, that is what the PC is going to name him in future releases. "Erebus" is going to be his default name.

And yes, Dhows is a shadow entity.

I'm not certain if that is his goal, though. One of his goals is the elemental annihilation of Lore. He intends to do that by causing direct manifestations of the elemental lords on Lore which he intends to cause by killing the Avatars a.k.a. the leaders of the Annunaki/The Faceless species. I'm not certain if he needs Ardendor for anything other then to be a powerful-and-yet-easily-manipulated ally since Ardendor is quite powerful being a fragment of an Extra Greater Power level deity.

< Message edited by RedEyedDrake -- 5/4/2012 2:22:50 >
AQ  Post #: 42
5/4/2012 2:16:33   
Affinity
Member
 

 Thank you very much, Skull Kid and RedEyedDrake.
AQ  Post #: 43
5/4/2012 2:31:28   
Skull Kid
Member

1 But that makes no sense, how come Kingadent Slugwrath (and his son Drageth Slugwrath) was present AQ's timeline (past)and Absolix created clone of him and Lord Valoth can't exist? ._.
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quote:

Dhows: The Network of Vesperian Agents, or N.O.V.A., as you call them, is just a small piece of The`Galin's larger network, Atlas Maxwell, my dear emu.
Dhows: And since your departure, other arms of the Network have plagued the Lorian sector entirely... The Autarchs have arisen.
Dhows: The Vesperians knew of me, created projects around me... planned to use me to their ends, even. Yet, in the end, it was they who were used, and they never truly understood me.
Dhows: How could they hope to understand what does not even fully understand itself?
Dhows: They created paradigms around me, but the future that they foresaw has ended, just as your own timeline was ended by the entry into the past and alteration there.
Atlas Maxwell: No... you can't be...
Dhows: Oh, can't I? You seem quite sure. Many ARE man-made Atlas Maxwell... even most.
Dhows: "Man" is also a term subject to interpretation and reinvention... just as I have been reinvented many, many times.
Atlas Maxwell: ...What are you saying...
Dhows: If you would stop your bird-brained twittering, you would know already, My would, universe, multiverse... suffered a great cataclysm, My creation was an after-effect of that calamity.
Dhows: I was never "born," Atlas Maxwell, except in the sense of being born in blood and fire.
Dhows: I was created by the apocalypse. So you see, I was indeed made by the hand of man.

So, first he was created when a great calamity happened in his multiverse, then N.o.V.A. took him as a test subject... But I don't understand that man-made god part, did the NoVA consider him god because of his power?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 44
5/4/2012 2:41:11   
RedEyedDrake
Member

1. I never said he didn't exist. However, Sepulchure existed in AQ as Sepulchre but there are no sign of Gravelyn, so far, so such differences between the timelines are indeed possible so he might have existed/might exist in this timeline but he might not be the way you know him from MQ. And Absolix created clones of the AQ versions implying that a "Kingadent Slugwrath" existed in AQ's past. Given Drageth's goal of becoming a king I'd say Kingadent was one of his decendants. On top of that, as far as I can tell from that character descrition of Valoth's he was just the leader of the Shadowscythe armies and not the species. Was he even infected with the Shadowscythe virus himself?
2. Actually, when it comes to Dhows coming into being and N.O.V.A. it went like this: Cataclysm happens>Dhows comes into being as a result>Dhows enters this universe from outside time itself>Dhows encounters N.O.V.A. And I don't know the details of his contact with N.O.V.A. but the point of N.O.V.A. trying to create a man-made god is them taking a test subject and trying to empower them to the level of a deity, essentially turning said subject into one. I can only guess how long and hazardous such a process would be.

< Message edited by RedEyedDrake -- 5/4/2012 2:48:27 >
AQ  Post #: 45
5/4/2012 2:57:25   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 Regarding the "man-made god" thing: Epsilon was referred to several times in the deuterocanon RP sessions (archived here) as "the man-made god" and "the hand of creation that the Network controls," among other things. Once the Devourer Saga ended, the staff decided against provided further deuterocanon-only information and are working to rectify the knowledge gap. One of the purposes of Mostly Harmful was to retcon a large portion of that information out to get everyone on the same page, and that included everything we'd heard about Epsilon. So in that matter Maxwell was primarily speaking for me and the two dozen or so other people who were familiar with the logs rather than attempting to provide useful exposition.
AQ DF  Post #: 46
5/4/2012 3:00:12   
Pepp
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 bigpepp no smash? -- OK folks, y'all figure this out. I am truly hooked, intrigued an very interested but the mystery stuff i will leave up to my fellow players here on the forums.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 47
5/4/2012 3:01:01   
Skull Kid
Member

TanKs a TON guys!!!!!
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5/4/2012 6:28:19   
dethhollow
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quote:

Dhows: If you would stop your bird-brained twittering, you would know already, My would, universe, multiverse... suffered a great cataclysm, My creation was an after-effect of that calamity.
Dhows: I was never "born," Atlas Maxwell, except in the sense of being born in blood and fire.
Dhows: I was created by the apocalypse. So you see, I was indeed made by the hand of man.



So if I'm understanding this right.... The MS was created in some kind of disaster that mankind is responsible for (thus he is "man-made") Which I'll assume is the reset, and then came to our demention. Since he doesn't belong here, he somehow is able to always exist at all times, including before the disaster. He technicly doesn't exist somehow and he wants to break reality to become a god, technicly making him "real" or something....

So if we were already told the elemental lords won't be seen, and we ourselves already know what the MS's name is making him a being or something.... What does that even mean?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 49
5/4/2012 6:50:05   
Skull Kid
Member

@Dethhollow: No MS is the leader of Shadowscythe. Dhows or Erebus (which is gonna be the name given to him) was a result of the great cataclysm that afftected is multiverse/universe (From your above quote):
quote:

Dhows: My would, universe, multiverse... suffered a great cataclysm, My creation was an after-effect of that calamity.

Dhows didn't know what to do then he met the MS. Dhows saw he was Shade only and tried to communicate with him only to end up killing him. So Dhows took the MS's place. Then the Network of Vesperuan Agents (N.o.V.A for short) used him as a test subject and created many pardigms around him and wanted him to bring him to the power of an enity to help them. But Dhows was too powerful and they get destroyed.
Hope this helps!
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