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5/5/2012 4:19:04   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


Large-scale destruction. Here are some quotes from Mostly Harmful:

quote:

Ryuusei: You cannot trust the Epsilon, Atlas, he seeks to destroy the entire universe.
Atlas Maxwell: An effort for which he will have my help. We shall kill the Avatar. Then we rebuild Lore in our image.

Cartwright: Even had he not, uncreation is one thing, but complete elemental annihilation is quite another. Reality itself would begin to unravel.


It's not quite clear how much would blow up if he succeeded; I'm guessing that, at minimum, everything in the same physical plane as Lore would be destroyed. At worst, we can interpret Cartwright's statement thusly:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doctor Who

People and planets and stars will become dust. And the dust will become atoms and the atoms will become... nothing. And the wavelength will continue, breaking through the rift at the heart of the Medusa Cascade into every dimension, every parallel, every single corner of creation. THIS is my ultimate victory, Doctor! The DESTRUCTION! of REALITY!! ITSELF!!!
AQ DF  Post #: 76
5/5/2012 4:41:37   
Sebastianthefrog
Member

Thanks very much. Destruction on a reality scale. Gotcha. And why are the gods ( and by gods I mean effectively everyone on archmage olafs godly guide to gods) not prevent this? Obviously faelrine failed, but what about the others?

Heh, I memorize every iota of warhammer 40k lore and AQ gets me to ask a question. Bravo :P
Post #: 77
5/5/2012 4:58:11   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


They ARE working to stop him. Among other things, The'Galin gave us some much-needed information during Mostly Harmful and the Light Lord created an undead army to counter his scheming. Dhows being a godlike eldritch abomination is likely the only reason they didn't/couldn't annihilate him a long time ago.
AQ DF  Post #: 78
5/5/2012 5:00:14   
RedEyedDrake
Member

So, a class Z apocalypse, right?
AQ  Post #: 79
5/5/2012 5:11:14   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


That or class X-4; again, it's not clear just how ambitious he is yet.
AQ DF  Post #: 80
5/5/2012 7:19:30   
Sebastianthefrog
Member

Ah thanks, much appreciated.
Post #: 81
5/5/2012 11:39:04   
zekefreed777
Member

A lot of stuff clicks together now, thanks to this thread. Still I have a few questions:

1- What's up with Cara at the end of the last quest? Is she still alive or is was that Abode's projection door thing saying she had to go to her daughter?
2- What's her position/purpose in this whole mass of events? The love interest of many NPC's I supposed?
3- The shadow that both Cenara and Donovan is Dhows, or just the entire shadow of events unfolding in Darkovia in an idealistic sense of the word in regards to its tragic history?
4- Why is Commander Paladin sneaking around with the Lady of Light and pointy horns dude? Is it related to his involvement/position?

I put up tags just in case :D

EDIT: Meh, looked at the title and decided to take out the tags for ease of viewing...
EDIT2:Ninja'd XD

< Message edited by zekefreed777 -- 5/5/2012 11:43:29 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 82
5/5/2012 11:42:40   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

No tags.

1. Cara's still alive.
2. Love interest of Erimus and Constantin, bringer of Balius/Nightbane to the future, friend of a Slugwrath...
3. Both, really.
4. He states his reasons in the quest-- he wants to be entirely sure of the events of 900 years past and to be sure that Falerin is trustworthy.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 83
5/5/2012 11:45:38   
stratuscone
Member

why is Cara alive?
AQ DF  Post #: 84
5/5/2012 11:52:06   
RedEyedDrake
Member

Replay the quest. It is clearly stated that Dhows...*Aku voice* FLUNG HER INTO THE FUTURE!
AQ  Post #: 85
5/5/2012 11:53:47   
zekefreed777
Member

@ Stratuscone I'm also curious how she's alive
@ Orodalf Thanx for the info.

I think the last question I have would be is that, at this point, peeps are going into the Hall of Memories to find out what brought about the ultimate change of Luminovia into Darkovia because no one knows the whole story, and it's further complicated by Dhows' presence and manipulations in the entire sequence of events, right?

EDIT: Gotta get back, back to the past, Samurai Jack (watch out) XXD
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 86
5/5/2012 11:56:37   
stratuscone
Member

@RED-- so Cara isn't supposed to be alive? it is only because of Dhows' actions that she managed to exist in this point?
AQ DF  Post #: 87
5/5/2012 12:11:50   
RedEyedDrake
Member

As far as we know she is a normal human. So yeah.

And its not "further complicated" by Dhows' involvement. It is "caused" by it.
AQ  Post #: 88
5/5/2012 13:42:25   
dethhollow
Member

Seems like there should be a simpler way to figure all this stuff out, like some written record that simply tells us what happened to Drakovia, or just asking the Vampire Queen (she was clearly alive back then and several years before.)

I guess the light order group or whatever wouldn't want us to know one of their high-ranking members was an omni-cidal maniac but still.... In fact, as the head of the paladin order wouldn't Artix know? Heck, even Nightwing should be able to tell us about this. I think I get why exploring memories directly would be easier and all, but it seems kind-of pointless to me when you could just find Wolfwing and get the importaint details....

Or am I missing something?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 89
5/5/2012 13:46:28   
zekefreed777
Member

^ I think Dhows' influence in the events made their memories hazy, so they just rather go through the stuff that actually happened from what's been recorded in time rather than just straining to remember something that may be recalled the wrong way...
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 90
5/7/2012 16:07:24   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


You should probably be warned that I have deliberately employed the literary device of an unreliable narrator at several junctures in this story. Dhows is not the only one either. Good news though in that Dhows origins and nature, if not his motivations will soon be abundantly more clear to you.

Flecks III as a unit is very much concerned with Erebus, his history, and his motivations.

I will say this. His motivations and intentions are complex and deliberately inscrutable. You have had only one indication of what they might be, but I will tell you now that Ryuusei and Cartwright were dead wrong about that.

They acted on assumptions based on what they knew of Epsilon. However that knowledge came from N.O.V.A. and N.O.V.A. is itself less then "reliable".

So here:

[Word of God]
Erebus Categorically is NOT interested in destroying the universe or even just the world of LORE.
[Word of God]
Post #: 91
5/7/2012 16:12:02   
Mordred
Member

Hmmmmm... As far as I can tell, then he seems to get some kinda kick out of screwing with everyone and everything.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 92
5/7/2012 16:13:50   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

... is Erebus interested in changing the nature of everything to what he wants it to be? Because that's what Atlas said.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 93
5/7/2012 16:28:01   
dethhollow
Member

.... Maybe he's just a troll? I mean think about it, what has Dhows REALLY done? Sure he tecnicly somewhat killed Falerin, but wasn't there something about wispering a spell at him or something so he wouldn't fully die? Sure he infiltrated the Light Lord's temple, but I don't think he did any damage....

You know, I'm going to take a guess right now and say that Seth Cay Dhows/ Erebus just wants to mess with Lore to see what we'll do because he gets some bizarre kick out of it....*And I'm probly dead wrong.*
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 94
5/7/2012 16:47:11   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


I would say that recreating "pieces" of Lore in his own image or in the image of his homeland is an accurate enough assessment of "some" of his motives. You all assume he acts toward only one end. He is far more multidimensional than that and he is a player of Xanatos Speed Chess to be sure, having many balls in the air at once, though perhaps not as adroitly as "others" are.


Killing the Light Lord's High Communicant and replacing him with himself and then slaying and causing to be raised as undead (though failing to do so himself in both instances) two of her chief servants does not qualify as damage to you?
Post #: 95
5/7/2012 16:48:29   
ArchMagus Orodalf
Member

Punny, Fal. "Multidimensional."
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 96
5/7/2012 21:47:51   
RedEyedDrake
Member

Say, Falerin, would you say that, in comparison to a regular shadow being, Dhows would be a "Shadownoid Abomination"?

Oh and Flecks II isn't going to consist of just "Mostly Harmful", right?

< Message edited by RedEyedDrake -- 5/7/2012 22:02:44 >
AQ  Post #: 97
5/8/2012 15:55:06   
Darquess
Member

Argh, as River Song would say, "Spoilers"

The whole quest and storyline is intriuging but we must not alow for such despair that we must go to someone for answers.
In the case of Mr. Dhows (who I shall call as such for convinience), he/she/it is quite clearly a powerful being that dosn't follow the laws of our universe i.e, he can break the laws of physics, matter and magic.
In pratical terms, he is not of this dimension or possibly even of this creation, as the elemental lords are unwilling/ unable to touch him or act against him using the powers at their disposal, which are, them being gods, immense.

However, Dhows has been touched by this world. He has called himself "myself", even though from what we understand he cannot have an identity (that is the point, after all, of being mysterious). No, the further he intervenes here, in this plane of existence, he appaers to follow our rules more, althougth this may be out of curiosity or amusement than him being bound here.

He appears to have no motive, and those sorts of master minds are the most dangerous sort. They just want to do something for somthings sake, with no rational or irrational reason why. He/It cannot explain to himself why he is doing what he does and that cuases him to vent this uncertinty and boredom by speaking to others in mindbending riddles and inuendos. The fact that he managed to manipulate Falerin and the heros of Lore and the seemingly evil villians of Lore together, apart and into chaos shows he is fickle.

Overall, he is one extrodinary speicimen to study. We will study him though, as he is self destructive, so will eventualy provide his own downfall, or perhaps he shall just vanish forever. The problem is, what wil he/she/it have left behind.

Blimey, sorry about all the analysis but its strange how a character can really be called the Mysaterious stranger when we know, or can guess/deduce so much from the surface.

Oh, and on another note, the lack of originality on the names the people of Lore give to places and people are very strange. Care to explain the map makers lack of originality in some places? Or was that Dhows too, the sneaky nija!

Even as I read this another question comes to mind!

How did you give somthing that should not exist a name? He has different forms, so where did those names come from? Was there just a barrel full of nouns to pick from or somthing? I feel I may have missed somthing as I have been away from the forum and AQ for some time....

< Message edited by Darquess -- 5/8/2012 16:24:15 >


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Post #: 98
5/8/2012 18:11:04   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


quote:

In pratical terms, he is not of this dimension or possibly even of this creation, as the elemental lords are unwilling/ unable to touch him or act against him using the powers at their disposal, which are, them being gods, immense.


We saw the Light and Darkness Lords combining their might to hide Paladin while he searched for information. How does that not qualify as using their powers to act against Dhows?

quote:

He appears to have no motive, and those sorts of master minds are the most dangerous sort. They just want to do something for somthings sake, with no rational or irrational reason why. He/It cannot explain to himself why he is doing what he does and that cuases him to vent this uncertinty and boredom by speaking to others in mindbending riddles and inuendos. The fact that he managed to manipulate Falerin and the heros of Lore and the seemingly evil villians of Lore together, apart and into chaos shows he is fickle.


Our current lack of understanding about his goals and methods doesn't necessarily mean he's acting at random.
AQ DF  Post #: 99
5/8/2012 22:41:03   
dethhollow
Member

Somehow I hope Dhows has more of a plan than just being evil for the sake of being evil.... I'm sorry if that really is all there is to him, but I'd rather have an overcomplicated villan than an over-simplified one.
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