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5/13/2012 14:47:54   
Angels Holocaust
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@ Depressed Void

We can have 3 vs 1 if all the players levels are 15 or lower.
Post #: 51
5/13/2012 14:49:08   
rej
Member

quote:

In this game we have a wide variety of players, I myself am more of a defensive player. I go into Juggernaut and i face most likely either a tech mage or a mercenary, or even both at one time. i have pretty good defenses as is def 27-33 +5 +1 and res 25-30 +5 +1 -1 +11 (plasma armor). About 3/4 of my matches are like this: mercenary bunker busts, tech mage plasma bolts, and Bounty Hunter uses smoke. And very often it may just be me, but i tend to get crit'd upon on the first move and by the time it's even my turn i have lost half my health. By this point I'm forced to heal and then they just wait and build up their rage so they can do the same process, just with more damage. I think you would agree with me that you see builds like this ALL the time when you do Juggernaut. I can win these types of fights but not w/o luck. and i wonder how all these other people do it.

I thought I was the only one who had trouble winning a juggernaut battle with a tank build. o_o
Defensive builds used to work perfectly for juggernaut- especially with tactical mercenary. However, after the massive tactical merc nerf, I was forced to abandon the class. Cyber Hunter is a poor substitute for juggernaut.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 52
5/13/2012 16:05:04   
Zeoth
Member

God I don't even jugg but just thinking about it ticks me off. Why? Cuz I know most go jugg for those easy wins. It really irritates me. I'm with Pivotal and Hyped here(as much as I like Wraith). You paid forte Gold jugg card to test the feature and your precious cheevos. That one week had to be te easiest farming of your life your ever going to get.
@DBE
That's snob answer if I ever seem one Vaium is for the advantage that edge, not oh I have the latest equipment I'm gonna win everyone no matter what. Deal with the level cap it's at, if you can't handle it don't play it
Post #: 53
5/13/2012 16:23:23   
Teufel Hunden
Member

@Zeoth

calm yourself...

you dont od jugg so you wouldnt know and you werent around when they sold gold skull card at the beginnig so dont be talking crap when you dont even know... and just because you say that doesnt

mean i am gonna be okay wit lvl cap... i have a right to voice my opinion and not be trashed for it... so calm down, take a breather and come back when you are less mad.
AQW Epic  Post #: 54
5/13/2012 16:26:59   
Mr. Black OP
Member

Juggernaut is fine right now, I was around for the first week of juggernaut and I really don't care about the $6 of varium I lost.
Epic  Post #: 55
5/13/2012 16:45:26   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 @alpha She's not suggesting to make it easy. She's suggesting to make it so she can get a 100% win rate and not have to do anything beside go into battle and attack twice. There is no logical way a lvl 26 can beat a lvl 34 even with the best gear and partner out there. It just doesn't happen.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 56
5/13/2012 16:45:41   
PivotalDisorder
Member

quote:

Its still Very immature of you people. just because she suggested something to make it easier for everyone?? You guys need to grow up

is it easier for the 22-26s who get annihilated by a Jug? it was a selfish proposal, end of.
Post #: 57
5/13/2012 16:57:26   
Mr. Black OP
Member

Anyone notice that today is juggernauts 1 year anniversary?
@below
Thanks, when I decided I was going for it I didn't even notice it was the 1 year anniversary.

< Message edited by Mr. Black OP -- 5/13/2012 17:00:12 >
Epic  Post #: 58
5/13/2012 16:59:17   
DeathGuard
Member

^ I didn't notice
Off topic: Congrats for holding 1st place in Juggernaut Leaderboard today
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 59
5/13/2012 17:13:39   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 @dbe Yes, it's called NPCs and they help you out quite a lot in getting good ratios. Ratios really mean next to crap in this game. With NPCs, DCs, and runners to skewer both 1vs1 and 2vs2 ratios, they just aren't reliable to tell you who's good and who's not.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 60
5/13/2012 17:16:13   
Whirlwindstorm2
Member

Honestly, I think the main reason for this entire argument is due to the issue of ones' ratio. And i believe that enjoying the game with its challenges is far more important than ratio. What is the real fun in winning every single battle and easily cruising through one battle after another? Although juggernaut has already been made easier for us, the challenge is still there. The level range right now is just right IMO, not too hard so that no one has a decent chance of winning, and not too easy so that we wouldn't have to think either.



< Message edited by Whirlwindstorm2 -- 5/13/2012 17:19:10 >
Post #: 61
5/13/2012 17:16:19   
DeathGuard
Member

@DaBombExpert: Changing to the OPed class everytime a new one borns, everyone can do that, but I don't. I would respect her if she never class change and had that same ratio, but that is not possible since she already had the reputation to class change. About she beating me, she would since I don't have full enhancements and I got nonvarium items, but if she would like, I would like to try, and it would be a shame to beat one of the "best" players with such disadvantage
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 62
5/13/2012 17:41:53   
Zeoth
Member

@DBE
Angela ratio? Oh please that's a history of class jumping and Npcs. That is her legacy. Famous for class jumping among most of the higher level community. I honestly have no respect for people who do that. The real pros take what they get and roll with it, but no Angels is one of those "pros" who runs when things look bad. I could give a few personal examples but I won't bother.
Post #: 63
5/13/2012 17:54:11   
Teufel Hunden
Member

@Zeoth

i just hate seeing the community tear itself apart...

i understand that she npcs and class changes and stuff... but many players do that...

anyways... im not using experience as a rational or to one up you or anything i just saying i was there when most things went down and i would like to see the staff discuss about these things that

could make game better

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@NDmallet

i understand there are runners, dc, and npc, but it is still impressive to have that ratio... at least to me it is... anyways i just wanna see this game progress and blossom even more... i love this game

and i would hate to see people leave just bc of things devs decide to do or decide not to do...

well i just voice my opinion about players and staff and work done by staff... (most of it good :P)

as a wise man once told me,"Everyone is entitled to their own stupid opinion, no matter how absurd, they are still entitled to it"

< Message edited by DaBombExpert -- 5/13/2012 17:55:27 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 64
5/13/2012 18:04:06   
Ranloth
Banned


 With NPCs, anyone can have literally perfect record. This is a fact if you know how to NPC effectively (strategy, class, etc.) so ratio is a joke if you NPC. If NPCs and PvP wins were divided, we'd see who's an actual player and which one is the 'fake' one. Not just wins or mere ratio make a player a pro, there are many definitions for a pro but if I was to describe it myself, I'd use people instead like Fay Beee and JZaanu for example - they have impressive characters, done a lot for the community as well as in-game, both are really nice and I doubt anyone can find bad points about them and now since they are Mods, they can be example for other players. That's definition of a pro for me, even if they were to have low wins, what they've done for the community and the game is too big to be neglected.

If we're entitled to our opinions, no matter how stupid it may be, then why are we arguing? We may disagree but we troll instead here. You say Angels is a pro right? Now compare Angels to Fay Beee or JZaanu - wins, ratio, character, Forum posts, etc. Everything! And let me know which one of them is better example for others: Angels or Fay/JZaanu.
AQ Epic  Post #: 65
5/13/2012 18:06:37   
Renegade Reaper
Member

ok im gonna post ON topic now.

YES defensive juggernaut is worth it, even more so now since 29 is the highest level you can face. with the build i have,
even if i face a merc with max bunker and a tm with max plasma bolt, i win. its not even a challenge for me anymore.
when i was facing two tricked out 30's or 31's, it gave me a real sense of satisfaction to win against them. i will miss that,
but the easy wins are alright too. ill just go to juggernaut now if luck happens too much in team or solo. lol.

The one player I can depend on is me.


~ Renegade Reaper
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 66
5/13/2012 18:15:54   
Lord Machaar
Member

Juggs works fine to me now...

:D nothing more nothing less!
MQ Epic  Post #: 67
5/13/2012 18:49:46   
Wraith
Member
 

 @Pivotal: I support the people who make sense

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AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 68
5/13/2012 19:35:35   
PivotalDisorder
Member

every game community has those groups ^^

I still think best way to Jugg is finding that perfect balance of high health, decent defences and the right offensive setup for your gear.
I tried a bit of Jugg on my Mage and it was significantly harder than on my TLM. anyone got any tips for tech Mage Juggernaut?

< Message edited by PivotalDisorder -- 5/13/2012 19:36:11 >

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Post #: 69
5/13/2012 19:51:00   
DeathGuard
Member

@PivotalDisorder: Check this thread: BS there is a post I make about the build I use to juggernaut, it may help you.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 70
5/13/2012 20:01:21   
PivotalDisorder
Member

ty ^^ did you start doing Juggernaut from this friday? just curious if you have lost yet.
Post #: 71
5/13/2012 20:02:35   
Whirlwindstorm2
Member

Hey pivotal, although I probably do not have as many stats as you do, here's the juggernaut build I'm currently using for tech mage.

http://imgur.com/oywRH

Since many of the opponents in juggernaut are caster mages or bunker mercenaries, I usually start off with a malfunction to one of them. If malfunctioned or smoked, using the assault bot's special to debuff is essential to your living. When I get to around 50 health, I use max heal so I'm close to full health again. After that, I basically wing it lol. I know that this build looks uh.. unusual with the max heal, but I have around a solid 90% with it. Remember to always bring boosters tho! xP

LOLOLOL.. major fail. Was going to PM this to you, but ah well. :3

< Message edited by Whirlwindstorm2 -- 5/13/2012 20:03:16 >
Post #: 72
5/13/2012 20:04:44   
DeathGuard
Member

I started from some time ago, and retake it since update and it had helped me a lot, I won around 26 wins and 3 losses.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 73
5/13/2012 20:06:53   
PivotalDisorder
Member

mmhm I always feel naked with 110 health but I might be able to make a similar build with 125 health and higher malf.
I hadn't considered Malfs usefulness against casters AND bb mercs for a long time [since rusty assault bot release]
Post #: 74
5/13/2012 20:07:22   
Midnightsoul
Member

This is ridiculous...juggernaut is balanced now...
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 75
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