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2/2/2013 4:52:42

Mother1
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@ zeph

Support blood mage is out there, and they use Deadly aim as well. There are some people who use this build for the strong intimadiate debuff along with powerful aux, and decent sidearm without using strength. So that right there disproves your point of no other build using deadly aim. Plus it is exactly the "Let's punish the that is OP without think about the other classes and builds" That cause BM to get to this point as well as other classes.

Instead I would suggest nerfing strength itself instead of removing deadly aim. As it stands right now strength needs a nerf and if you nerf strength guess what will happen. The power of the sidearm will go down as well. Even with deadly aim powering it up if you nerf strength itself all strength builds will be brought down some and it wouldn't hurt the other builds either. As for focus BM their damage will be brought down as well since strength will be going down, and deadly aim with the sidearm won't be that big a deal anymore.

So instead of nerfing BM by removing deadly aim (which could power down these builds but will open up a new can of worm since changes like that will do this) nerfing strength would attack the two builds that abuse this passive this passive without hurting all other builds that use this passive.

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2/2/2013 5:05:06

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

quote:

and deadly aim with the sidearm won't be that big a deal anymore.

Of the str builds.
Not the focus builds.

So instead of punishing the BMs focus and str builds. you punish all str builds from all classes.
Good job...

And even when you do that, DA will still remain as powerful as it already is

Epic	Post #: 27

2/2/2013 5:31:55

Mother1
Member

@ sr zeph

Strength builds are already OP for all classes which was why I suggested that in the hopes of taking care of 2 builds with one stone. It isn't like one strength build with just one class is OP all of them are. We already have people complaining about Strength BM (this thread here) Strength BH (other old threads) Strength merc (Maul berseker combo can ko possibly KO you before you get a turn to prepare). This idea for a nerf would be taking care of all of those with one fell swoop.

As for focus BM we already have a nerf coming for them in the form of omega. Due to there being less stats focus builds will have to take from HP and EP to even make focus builds and since enhancements won't be there anymore well focus builds won't be as supercharge as they are now. That will be their nerf since those extra stats won't be there anymore and with less stats means less damage from the sidearm.

Epic	Post #: 28

2/2/2013 5:37:56

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

quote:

Strength builds are already OP for all classes

Dont see anyone complaining about tlm, tm and ch so invalid.

quote:

Strength BM

Is OP because of BL and DA as passives

quote:

Strength BH

Is OP because of BL and massacre

quote:

Strength merc

Is not OP, one block or no stun and they lose automatically.

As for ''Omega nerfing focus BMs'' is not a excuse since OMega nerfs all focus builds.

Epic	Post #: 29

2/2/2013 5:43:27

theholyfighter
Member

Deadly Aim shouldn't be based on a fixed damage IMO...But a lower percentage.

Perhaps(means arguable)
Lvl 1: 10%, adds 1% when lvling it up.

Then, a Gun with a damage of 34 would have this scale, from lvl 1~ 10.

quote:

Lvl 1 4
Lvl 2: 4
Lvl 3: 4
Lvl 4: 5
Lvl 5: 5
Lvl 6: 6
Lvl 7: 6
Lvl 8: 6
Lvl 9: 7
MAX: 7

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Something off-topic......
To add on, recently I've created a TM alt to test out the lower lvls(1~20).
This is what I discovered:

quote:

Enhancements are NOT one reason for Str BH to be Oped. It IS due to Blood Lust.

Those bounty hunters have no enhancements. They usually build up Smoke Screen to Lvl 6 and MAX Blood Lust. With their primary damage at 35, they dominate freakingly. This provides proof for those who said: Bounties are now Oped because of enhancements. Those predictions and theories or guessings are WRONG. The skill Blood Lust itself is already Oped, because it gives back ACTUAL HEALTH, which in other words the KEY TO DECIDE WHO WINS THE BATTLE.

< Message edited by theholyfighter -- 2/2/2013 5:49:03 >

AQW

Epic

Post #: 30

2/2/2013 6:15:43

Mother1
Member

@ zeph

Since you are shooting down my idea for an alternate that would leave the rest of the BM builds alone lets look at yours. Say if they did take away deadly aim and replaced it with adrenaline like you suggested. Strength blood mage would still be powerful. They would still have all the moves that aren't powered by deadly aim, (which won't lose any power due to deadly aim only working with the side arm) and even with 10 less damage a still very powerful side arm since sidearms improve with strength. Plus thanks to adrenaline an increase rage gain. While you would rather have them rage faster and have a slightly less powerful side arm others may not. Especially since the rest of the power with this build is still the same. It wouldn't be helping much now would it.

Now for focus BM. They would lose a bit of power with their sidearm I will give you that, but like strength BM that will be all they will be losing. They will still have the flexibility they had before minus the sidearm. That means decent debuffs, robot damage, and even without deadly aim depending on the build a decent sidearm.

Plus if you already know focus builds are going to get a nerf in omega, why are you trying to nerf them before hand? There is a difference between trying to balance a class and nerf them into the ground.

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2/2/2013 6:24:12

theholyfighter
Member

^How are focus builds getting a nerf?

AQW

Epic

Post #: 32

2/2/2013 6:25:04

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

quote:

It wouldn't be helping much now would it.

Actually it would.
Since DA is one of the things bms use as much as possible because it does not cost any energy and is stronger then a maxed fireball.
Only good attack they got is bludgeon which is blockable.
So that leaves them with only 2 good attacking skills.
A str build cant survive with only 2 str moves so it wont be OP anymore.
The fact that they rage one turn earlier does not improve their damage then DA does, does it?

quote:

They will still have the flexibility they had before minus the sidearm

BHs has the same skills and they arent OP as focus, are they?

Epic	Post #: 33

2/2/2013 6:49:35

Mother1
Member

@ theholyfighter

All builds will have less stats to work with so if you want to make a focus build you will have to take away from health and energy since you can't take from anywhere else. Plus if you minus enhancements that even less stats then before so there is you nerf to focus

@ Zeph

Ever hear of raging the sidearm? As long as it doesn't deflect even without deadly aim it will be slightly more powerful then a normal sidearm shot with deadly aim (since rages ignores 45 percent of defenses and if you have a defensive passive that shuts down as well) So if anything they will still be just a powerful even without deadly aim since they will have to choose the best time to use it.

Now you said that they wouldn't be OP because they have 2 moves that are blockable and the unblockable move is toned down? So now we are working with chance to say a class is not OP? I am saying this because as it is right now if these moves were blocked enough Strength BM even with Deadly aim wouldn't be an issue, yet we have people still complaining and it isn't just Deadly aim either that they are complaining about. People are also complaining about Bludgeon, the damage strength BM can do with melee's and the health gain they gain back due to bloodlust. So even if you minus deadly aim we still have those same moves everyone is complaining about, the health gain due to the massive damage, and with the rage gain rage side arm to make up for the lack of deadly aim. It will still be OP and you would still be relying on luck rather then skill to beat strength BM and we both know this.

As for focus BH oh please, while they don't have deadly aim they have shadow arts and I know you have been reading about the complaints about this passive or haven't you been reading the balance threads about this. The smoke shadow arts combo they use to make most melee attacks from other classes ineffective is powerful. There have been complaints about focus BH as well and why there aren't as many as focus BH they are around as well.

Epic	Post #: 34

2/2/2013 7:25:02

theholyfighter
Member

How will builds have less stats? Is there a quote, a video or anything that I probably missed about having less stats? Because I remember that a lvl 35 gun having 20 stats in some video or picture....

AQW

Epic

Post #: 35

2/2/2013 8:05:47

Blitzex/Sr. Zeph
Banned

Completely disagree with you on the focus BH part.
When i see a focus BH i immediatly think: Free win.
Since that combination can be easily avoided by ranged attacks, skills, specials of robots and weps/armor (pp)
Although i see all BHs as free wins as they are very easy for me.

quote:

So if anything they will still be just a powerful even without deadly aim since they will have to choose the best time to use it.

Although removing da for adrenaline wont do much, it is still better then to adjust str improval.
Since not all str builds are OP. Just because they can kill fast does not make them OP.
At least removing DA with adrenaline will not only nerf the str bms but also the focus bms.

< Message edited by Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -- 2/2/2013 8:06:24 >

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