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5/11/2013 12:15:19   
bei4
Member

@agaraoth are you trying to duel me?
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5/11/2013 12:15:37   
Megadragonknight
Member

@Bei4
Ok and hahaha, you were fighting Agaraoth2's twin sister. xD Sorry if I sound very offensive and rude but I find it quite hilarious. Forgive me and I shouldn't really laugh too often since I think its really offending.

@Red
Sorry if I misunderstood you.
Post #: 677
5/11/2013 12:18:46   
Agaraoth2
Member

@bei Yes while im waiting ill kill a squire. The forum went dead

< Message edited by Agaraoth2 -- 5/11/2013 12:34:36 >
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5/11/2013 12:39:19   
bei4
Member

yeah sorry for not saying anything guys i had dinner.
so what shall i do shall i buy now minotaur or dark incarnate or farm till i have 70.000 gold and then buy one of them?

< Message edited by bei4 -- 5/11/2013 12:40:48 >
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5/11/2013 12:51:49   
Megadragonknight
Member

@bei4
I guess you should buy Dark Incarnate since he is really STRONG for a veteran rank character! When he got his master evolution who will most likely be Malakai, he will be very dangerous and it will be expected that it will cost SG to evolve him consider Malakai is super strong and not to mention he is another one of the "Old One" minions.

Anyway, I got to leave now. I will see you guys tomorrow. Bye!
Post #: 680
5/11/2013 12:54:02   
bei4
Member

i also need to go i can not play te coming 2 days because i need to make things for school
AQ AQW Epic  Post #: 681
5/11/2013 12:57:09   
Jmagician
Member

Sorry guys, I don't see the connection between Malakai and Dark Incarnate. Is this some sort of AQW reference or something? .-.
AQW  Post #: 682
5/11/2013 12:59:14   
Vagaran
Member

@Mega
Can't really say Malakai will be super strong as there is no proof of his deck + not all evos usually turns to be better than their pre-form. Ex I would say Queen Glyph is better than QF with 1 less Shatter.

@Jmagician
Same here, I don't see the connection though I guess it's the way Dark Incarnage looks like.
AQ DF MQ Epic  Post #: 683
5/11/2013 13:02:07   
Fallen Crest
Member

People just think he will evolve into Malakai because of Dark Incarnates wings when he charges.
AQW  Post #: 684
5/11/2013 13:03:05   
Jmagician
Member

Holy crap! Those animations! Nevermind I see the connection.

EDIT: ninja'd.

Yes, I JUST bought it and realized that after I began to play with it.

It still could just be a coincidence though. Nothing too big to go on.

< Message edited by Jmagician -- 5/11/2013 13:05:10 >
AQW  Post #: 685
5/11/2013 13:27:02   
Agaraoth2
Member

@Jmagician so your loving your dark incarnate
AQW  Post #: 686
5/11/2013 13:31:40   
Jmagician
Member

@Agaraoth: I am indeed It exactly like my Shadowdance with more offensive power minus the defensive prowess. One less shield and Life Drain for a couple of 5 attacks and a MoD.

EDIT: Shadowdance does have more variety in 21 attack and piercing damage though.

< Message edited by Jmagician -- 5/11/2013 13:34:47 >
AQW  Post #: 687
5/11/2013 14:11:59   
clintonian
Member

Dark incarnate is better :p well to me it is

< Message edited by clintonian -- 5/11/2013 14:20:14 >
Post #: 688
5/11/2013 14:22:46   
Labyth
Banned


 I NEED TO REALLY STOP TESTING THINGS WITH MY RAT okay as you all know I use rats for mostly everything since they have such controlled decks that I can easily understand everything I do cause ei memories theirs deck arelady.and also every action I do with them I know already(and cause they are 15 card deck easy to predict)

Well anyways My Big Ben is now lvl 17going to be 18 soon (let me rephrase it i have no X-boost not even one)and all that exp is from many trials of testing.....I need another thing that I can use for testing now sure you guys have used other character more then I have so what character from you guys prespective would have almost the same form as Big Ben
_requirement
free character no sg
Easy to captured
Shadow Chracter(helps me get a lot more money-less shield better performance)
Easy to train cause he is strong
Doesn't die easily
Is like Big Ben deck

WEll that about it


< Message edited by Labyth -- 5/11/2013 14:23:58 >
Post #: 689
5/11/2013 14:23:26   
Jmagician
Member

@Clintonian: To simply say it is better would be too vague. You have to elaborate on that.

In some aspects such as power, yes it is better. But the lack of shields and Life Drain leaves it to be much more vulnerable. Now you would say no one needs more than one Life Drain, but Shadowdance's energy efficiency allows it for one more. Judging by Dark Incarnate's deck, it also seems energy efficient enough to handle one more Life Drain.

Also, Shadowdance would fair better against a shielded foe at that critical HP point because of an Empower'd piercing attack. However, Dark Incarnate does have a MoD which Shadowdance does not so it would be easier to take down shields in that regard.

So by these facts Dark Incarnate is better than Shadowdance as a beat stick, but is not better in terms of surviving longer. In certain situations, offensive prowess would be favourable, so Dark Incarnate would be the better choice. However, if you are facing a foe that has a lot of DoT usage or is just very powerful, Shadowdance would be better. So it all matters about the situation.

A good example of how Shadowdance would be better than Dark Incarnate is against a very powerful foe such as HH or FC. Dark Incarnate just won't be able to survive all that bashing because all he is doing is attacking. FC in particular would just heal all that damage while attacking back and since Dark Incarnate can't protect itself, it is a goner.

< Message edited by Jmagician -- 5/11/2013 14:28:03 >
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5/11/2013 14:30:52   
Labyth
Banned
quote:

Labyth No Better rules:
Character all have value depending on their deck but if that was so a simple cellar rat couldn't beat a Darkon drago .
Now when rephrasing to the statement character are only as good as their deck we must remember a Deck is Just potential to a cap. The better the Deck the Higher potential. If we consider that a Deck really isn't what you fight with you only fight with 5 cards from you possible deck. Example Kruger he has 3 shatter (unless your me and can predict ) Kruger has 3 chances to get his shatter in the 5 card draw meaning is possible for him to pull out a shatter higher then him pulling out a freeze.(unless your me again)
so even with character having good deck the potential of the character becomes less when the character are forced to draw only 5 card then you must really n luck(unless you have some of labyth work then your at better chance at saying forget you luck)


@Clinton and also Jmagician
This is something I crated to argue about My rat being good.*point above*


< Message edited by Labyth -- 5/11/2013 14:50:21 >
Post #: 691
5/11/2013 15:01:02   
clintonian
Member

@jmagician yea tru i love that little guy though but idk i was gonna get shadowdance last year but its deck just turned me off actually that wasn't it i realized i didn't need it cause i had Void knight lol

< Message edited by clintonian -- 5/11/2013 15:15:26 >
Post #: 692
5/11/2013 15:18:29   
Agaraoth2
Member

So Jmagician is all about balance hmm
AQW  Post #: 693
5/11/2013 15:40:30   
Jmagician
Member

@clintonian: It is all about preference and what you feel you need

@Agaraoth: Balance is a very interesting topic. I don't think that balance should be making everything the same. I feel that balance should be giving something a toy to play with or a tool to use because of the lack of a certain trait that something else might have.
AQW  Post #: 694
5/11/2013 16:34:05   
Agaraoth2
Member

@Jmagician so you prefer having atk X1 X2 and X3 to balance out your deck opposed to all attack X5
AQW  Post #: 695
5/11/2013 16:37:02   
Labyth
Banned


 Well I used a rat .@above . if you know the rat deck then you know I have no x5
Post #: 696
5/11/2013 16:45:40   
Jmagician
Member

@Agaraoth: What?! :o

EDIT: I realized this bug has not been fixed yet. This was an issue long before the BR was even mentioned. Even before FC I believe.

So it goes like this. You play an attacking card. You realize that you could have Empower'd it so you draw it back. However, when you discard a card for the Empower, it uses the energy of that discarded card even if you cancel the discard. Now you are left with very little energy because you just wasted it all on a bugged Empower tactic.-.

@TheSage@Asuka: This EDIT is for you guys. If anything, I will make a bug report.

< Message edited by Jmagician -- 5/11/2013 17:07:36 >
AQW  Post #: 697
5/11/2013 17:29:11   
Agaraoth2
Member

@Jamgician do you prefer having a few lower damage cards to make your character more cost effective.
AQW  Post #: 698
5/11/2013 17:40:15   
Jmagician
Member

@Agaraoth: That depends. For a character like Shadowdance with 2 Empowers, it is quite complementary to have lower damage cards like 1 damage pierce or 1/2 damage attack. The piercing damage could go up to 400 damage which is very handy in certain situations while the 1 and 2 damage cards are excellent discard cards.

However, in general, 5 damage cards can get too excessive in terms of costs while 1 damage cards can get too excessive in terms of clutter. 2 damage is a nice middle ground in terms of not too much clutter/energy cost requirement.

EDIT: It all depends on the character and what type of battle strategy they sport. Maybe their special cards are not as costly? Then they would have room for more 5 damage cards and some shields where 2 damage cards wouldn't be as helpful. What if the battle strategy of a character would be a DoT specialist? Then defence cards would be more helpful with a few attacking cards here and there. The possibilities are endless.

< Message edited by Jmagician -- 5/11/2013 17:43:38 >
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5/11/2013 19:01:45   
Agaraoth2
Member

@Jmagician interesting point but i wonder of you would run a deck with 5 shields, 5 life drains, 3 sacrifices and two mark of death
Off topic life drain cost need to be reduced.

< Message edited by Agaraoth2 -- 5/11/2013 19:29:58 >
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