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7/11/2013 8:27:14   
santonik
Member

I've tried a tank. azrael will make a small damage.
I've tried a glass cannon, and makes a shocking damage (azrael will) even the most toughest tanks. Does this sound like 22 damage and forcing strike fair? What about rage attack immediately afterwards. It is the same as the tanks kill the judgment. Well, at least it feels like it. It would be good if azrael will not stack deadly aim with it at all, and others at all debuff (smoke and Malf) and buffs (Blood / field commander). Anyway, azraell will would be less damage. I say this directly. Although I myself is this azrael will so would reduce the damage considerably. Forcing the attack itself is really good skill. The forcing because I have won countless amounts of matches and also lost countless matches.

I see now as a threat to those glass cannons, and azraell will combinations. Best damage I have myself had this compulsion goes over 30 + damage and briskly. I am 4-5 focus tank normally .

Good damage. In my view, all too good. This is the thing that eats the good spirit of the game. In my view, the core of azrael will be taken off the damage or weaken it further.It would be good if azrael will not bring rage at all.
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2vs2

Debuff is much stronger than buff. (smoke / Malf vs blood / field commander) Buff is always personal. Why do not we change the debuff also personal.
Here are a few things which increase the azrael will damage.

Techmage + Malf(destroy 40-50 tech) + deadly aim (+9damage)

Mercenary + Blood commander (40-50 stregth)

Cyber ​​Hunter + Malf (destroy 40-50 tech)

Bloodmage + deadly aim (+9damage)

Tacticalmercenary + field commander. (40-50 stregth)

Boynty hunter + smoke (destroy 35-48 dex)

2vs2 have these things for all classes combinations. (Crude example blood commander + Malf.)

Do not even mention the 2vs2 matches. Smoke / Malf these are special here. My teammate is able to make full use of these debuffs. I feel this a problem from in matter. How does this relate azrael will. now the game works this way. Team guy makes smoke, and also to benefit from our full this debuff ..


It would be good if smoke / Malf would change the personal. That would mean this. Teammate makes smoke, and you can not take advantage of yourself teammate smoke / Malf. And now going back to azrael will. it would be good if will azraell do less damage this way too.

I know that there have a new update coming at some point. I'm afraid that azrael will will be too tough for many players in the future. It is already good, maybe even too good.

All of these are my own thoughts

Epic  Post #: 1
7/11/2013 9:15:47   
Mother1
Member

While azreal's will does help them get a free turn (which can help them sometimes) glass cannons even with this are still full of wholes. Especially in 2 vs 2 since they have even less of a chance of going first. These strength support glass cannon depend on going first cause if they don't and get attacked first they are screwed even with this weapon.

Whenever I fight against glass cannons in 2 vs 2 heck even if they go first they are most of the time screwed especially if you get a good partner. They are full holes even with this gears and have counters.

To be honest they are more of a threat in 1 vs 1.
Epic  Post #: 2
7/11/2013 20:36:40   
Midnightsoul
Member

I think the numbers are exaggerated but um...

I think the Azrael Gear was a problem.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 3
7/11/2013 20:49:30   
Mother1
Member

@ Midnightsoul

which one? Azreal's will Azreal's torment or both?
Epic  Post #: 4
7/11/2013 21:27:38   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

That Aux.......That Aux, if you try to shield it away you're only wasting a precious turn. There's nothing you can do against a Azreal Aux abuser than to continue fighting. I stopped using Reflex boost / Energy Shield all together cause its just plain pointless.
AQW Epic  Post #: 5
7/11/2013 21:52:47   
Mother1
Member

@ valkyrieknight

I actually shield on purpose with these glass cannons so they will do that. Why you ask because by doing this you take 85% damage instead of 100% meaning they will do less, and you take out one of their most powerful attacks in the process. This does help me win against these builds sometimes. Especially when I get a deflection combined with this as well.

Epic  Post #: 6
7/11/2013 21:57:39   
edwardvulture
Member

If your a mage its possible to tank them with a relatively high percentage.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 7
7/11/2013 22:06:02   
VanitySixx
Member

The Azrael gun and aux is clearly overpowered and I don't see how anyone would think otherwise. There are *Slight* ways around it but only with a little luck on your side. But I like the fact that it's a little overpowered. Even though I don't have it, the player spent 60 dollars on it.

But then again, EpicDuel Omega has apparently been all about balancing classes and weapons, and this is not balanced.
AQW Epic  Post #: 8
7/11/2013 22:11:37   
Mother1
Member

@ Vanitysixx

The gun can be counter by 2 items

The bio suit promo and any of the yeti's

(Since the rooted special protects you from the forced strike from azreal's will)

As for the azreal's aux the yeti is a counter to this one.

But on another note eventually they will make something that will make you forget about this promo just like they did when both the azreal's borg and infernal intridictoir were in the spot light.
Epic  Post #: 9
7/12/2013 5:20:03   
ValkyrieKnight
Member

@ Mother

Doesn't work, you're saying that the only way to counter the Aux is to have high support in order to go before them, how fair is that? Also, that means you'll have to sacrifice your turn by doing a 3 damage move to remove their Aux, bare in mind that Azreal abusers often have good strength I don't think it would matter. This is why I'm hesitant to get the yeti even though I'm at 53k now. I don't want to be forced to buy yeti and change my build permanently because of a dumb weapon.

@ Vanity

I can tolerate the gun, I don't care use it all you want. But whoever thought it would be a good idea to turn the Azreal borg into a weapon..... you know what I mean.
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
7/12/2013 7:52:04   
Scyze
Member

I think the Auxiliary is fine; it's like the Azrael's Borg. Main problem IMO is the Gun's Core.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 11
7/12/2013 10:02:24   
Mother1
Member

@ Scyze

It is like the azreal's borg? Effect wise it is a complete ripoff of the azreal's borg heart attack just like frost shards effect is a rip off of frostbite. Difference between them is the aux special is one time use and does 85% damage while the Azreal's borg does 60% and can be used more than once.

@Valkyrieknight

Well that is your choice. I said it was a counter to this because it disable's the weapon for 3 turns. Also I never said you needed high support on decent support. I use 65-70 support which sometimes allows me to go before them in which I clobber them.

Also I have to ask are you upset because they made the azreal's borg robot period, or that they remade it's special into an aux?
Epic  Post #: 12
7/12/2013 17:12:51   
EpicIsEpic
Member

This leaves practically no options for builds since to counter 1 core you have to compleatly change build. Just because 1 or 2 cores are op. I think that that was a mistake releasing the promo cores in to the game. But now they will just have to make something that counters those cores. But i dont want them now because next year non-vars will be ab;e to buy it. So not wanting them nerfed.
Post #: 13
7/12/2013 18:27:42   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Mother1: I never thought of how armored roots could protect you...but I guess it makes sense now.

Azrael's will can easily be worked around, and sometimes I prefer spreadfire or energy shot instead of the force strike.

However, I have to admit that azreal's mark is pretty strong compared to other aux cores and should probably get a nerf. Maybe reduce the damage of the aux attack down to 75% or reduce the amount of the buff taken away to 45% instead of 65%?
Epic  Post #: 14
7/12/2013 18:49:36   
Mother1
Member

@ exploding penguin

I was surprised as well when I first saw it do that as well since my partner used the azreal's will on a rooted player only for them not to budge due to the effect.

As for the aux itself I will remain neutral since my comments on this item would be biased.
Epic  Post #: 15
7/14/2013 19:38:02   
lionblades
Member

imo that azraels alux is so OP
the gun is so predictable it is easy to counter with a slightly earlier heal which anyone can do regardless of build
but the alux has no counter without specifically buying a yeti etc.
AQW  Post #: 16
7/14/2013 19:40:17   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Lionblades: Yea, I think the aux is way stronger than the gun. The value of the buff removed should be decreased dramatically.
Epic  Post #: 17
7/14/2013 19:58:14   
Mother1
Member

@ exploding

I held my tongue before but I will say my thoughts. Personally when I first saw that aux, I hated it since the special was as I said a complete rip off of the azreal's borg. Not to mention next to the infernal android the azreal's borg I know was hated by the masses since it made buffs next to useless. The only positives I could say were that the bot went rare, The buff reduce was nerfed and since there were so many different bots coming the azreal's borg is hardly ever used (I say this because when I use it most people ask me what is that bot, ask me why don't I just use the aux, or something else that tells me they don't see people use it.) But all that chanced when they recycled heart attack in the form of Azreal's torment (That is it's original name)

Unlike the azreal's borg, that only does minimal damage for while removing the buff (unless the person has really crappy defenses or the sting crits) even with focus 5 and tech abuse the aux is so much easier to abuse since it only needs one stat to power up instead of 4, and it does 85% damage where as the azreal's borg only does 60%.

Epic  Post #: 18
7/15/2013 11:18:07   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @mother1: Precisely why I think it's vastly overpowered. It can pretty much take away a humongous portion of 20+ defense/res buffs while still dealing pretty decent damage (normally a little above 10, depending on the fight), AND adds rage to boot. The bot isn't nearly as overpowered because 1) There are other bots that are arguably better, whereas Azrael's mark easily surpasses concussive, and 2) It does far more damage than Azrael's borg does, and for Azrael's borg you had to sacrifice the normal bot attack which at the time was very strong.
Epic  Post #: 19
7/15/2013 11:30:27   
Trae
Member

as someone who owns them
i think the gun is fine
the aux is OP maybe decrease the portion of the buff it takes away
or decrease the amount of damage it does when using its effect
just please do not overdue the Nerf
Epic  Post #: 20
7/15/2013 12:12:12   
DanniiBoiixD
Member

They really need to make more cores for guns and auxes so that people will stop using those annoying weapons
AQW Epic  Post #: 21
7/16/2013 7:11:26   
Necromantres
Member

quote:

That Aux, if you try to shield it away you're only wasting a precious turn


Many glass canons have the aux the opposite damage their debuff is, so basicaly if i get malfed i shield on purpose, because this way they do less damage (85% + atacking with phisicaly), i still get a portion of the buff at a low cost and i have a turn to either heal or steal they energy, limiting their posibilities (i always try in the first turn to use skills so i can use assimilation and get it's full effect like when fighting a tank without a debuff i try using plasma than assimilate to get the energy back)

Sure not everyone it's a caster mage but you know the drill.
Epic  Post #: 22
7/19/2013 23:17:26   
kittycat
Member

The Azrael cores are what I find deceiving and disappointing. It is just a mere benefit for people that can abuse the aux using support, alongside with higher chance of critical chances and at least many advantages to their favor to the point where only blocks and deflections can negate those supreme advantages. The two ranged weapons can work together to the point that in mere 2 clicks, BOOM, 90% of the time, you win unless you have Blood Lust, which makes it about 70-80%.

I prefer the bot than the auxiliary. Sure it's repeatable but it doesn't do as much damage and requires 4 stats to power up, as stated by Mother1.

Plausible changes would be reducing the Azrael's aux damage to 60% to keep it on par with Azrael's Borg, and same for the Gun.

< Message edited by kittycat -- 7/19/2013 23:25:26 >
AQ MQ  Post #: 23
7/19/2013 23:37:20   
Mother1
Member

@ Kittycat

actually if they did that then the azreal's borg would be better then the aux since it's special is repeatable where as the aux can't be repeated. Each of them has their good points and draw backs which actually makes a person think which do I want. more damage but one time use or less damage but I can use the special more than once.

Epic  Post #: 24
7/19/2013 23:55:31   
kittycat
Member

I know that but that the worth and specialty accurately reflects how much effort you need to reach its power. Abusing one stat is too easy so it shouldn't receive any more damage than what it needs to be, and using 4 stats to power up which completely deserves a little more power.
AQ MQ  Post #: 25
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