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1/9/2015 14:09:07   
Thylek Shran
Member

Much gone wrong with picking the contest winners ! Alot winners had poor or non festive
homes but won the price. Personally I have/had a much better home than alot of the
contest winners even that my home (Fortune Studio Apartment) that took part in the
contest is lacking some festive items. Grats to those players that was really creative and
created beautifull homes and didnt had to use much varium home items to win.
As example iCassidy which was my personal favourite.

I did take a close look at the contest winners today and here are some of the results:

7 winners used absolutely NON FESTIVE homes and should be disqualified for that
1 winner seem to have changed alot items in his home during the contest and should be disqualified as this was against the rules

13x Frysteland Yurt (52%)
4x Fortune City Loft
3x Biodome Bunker
3x Luxury Mine Suite
1x Fortune Studio Apartment
1x Infernal Apartment

68% did use varium home items
Average amount is 11
Lowest amount is 1
Highest amount is 27

92% are varium customers
8% absolutely non-varium (F2P)

56% own a Frozen Fury set
57% of those own 2 Frozen Fury sets

84% own ex-varium promo sets or parts of them
44% of the winners seem to be top varium customers


The problem with varium home items is that only they do grant an
extraordinary festive style which is an advantage to win. Like the
christmas trees and wreaths which are key elements. Its obvious that
most of the winners had not been chosen by their extraordinary home
style (creativity, harmony, festivity).

Contact me if you need more detailed informations !

< Message edited by Thylek Shran -- 1/9/2015 14:12:55 >

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DF Epic  Post #: 26
1/9/2015 16:15:10   
Lord Machaar
Member

Amen, God bless numbers. Thanks for saving me all that time.
MQ Epic  Post #: 27
1/9/2015 18:15:57   
  Battle Elf
has ten 1v1 wins


 There were a ton of great entries this year and sadly, they couldn't all win.

From the original contest thread:
quote:

Judging criteria, we will be looking for the most creative homes in decor design. Think about use of color schemes, patterns, function, overall theme of the home designs.


The Guest Team, (with help from moderators and testers) participated in the voting process, basing their votes on the aesthetic appeal of the home designs we received. Players who purchased promos or varium were not treated differently than any others. Recent releases have implemented F2P house items as well as new items from the Arcade Bot. Additionally, the contest rules were applied to each individual submission, resulting in many disqualifications.

If you have any more questions feel free to PM Trans or Mecha.

< Message edited by Battle Elf -- 1/12/2015 17:20:30 >
AQW Epic  Post #: 28
1/9/2015 18:51:21   
Lord Machaar
Member

I've probably witnessed more contests than you did, numbers in this case don't lie. It's pretty clear.

Judging criteria in such contests are based most of the time on the behavior of that player in-game/in-forums and etc. Players are being chosen based on many judging criteria that are hidden.

I just hope next time the real judging criteria are being respected, and winners are chosen based on creativity not on other things that we already know.

Same thing goes for picking up mods and testers, they choose the ones who worship the game, I personally find it hard to like something when it's not apealing for me, but I do say I like it when it's good.

< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 1/9/2015 18:52:53 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 29
1/9/2015 22:28:39   
SMGS
Member

It's an interesting point to make, Lord Machaar, but realistically, the recruitment of any staff member, staff assistant or otherwise (just referring to them as staff from here on out... bit too long to keep writing this) is a challenge as it is. I don't necessarily think it's fair to say the criteria for those who are selected are people who "worship the game." To say they "enjoy" the game (and probably enjoy it more than the average player) is probably a fairer way to describe the staff team.

Injecting personal experience... I was picked up as a tester for the original Omega release (remember that one? the one that was delayed for a month? and then two?). I very much think I wasn't "worshiping" a game that failed to deliver their promised weekly releases for over 8 weeks. I stuck around nonetheless because I wanted the game to go further. That was a personal choice I had to make (and it came with sacrificing many hours of playing games... to break games). I very much think that's the attitude many of the staff come in with when they're recruited.

And if you look deep enough in the internet, you will see evidence of some current staff members being critical of the game... far from worshiping it in my view. I've seen several examples from checking in with AE related stuff every few weeks.

As for the contest itself, it definitely is a very subjective way to pick winners. But that's the nature of a contest like this, it's based on personal opinion. For my specific entry... I do know a staff member went out of their way to publicly praise it way before the contest ended. Don't think it was necessarily the best thing to do for this specific situation... I have no doubt in my mind that that comment probably influenced other people judging to some degree (I would assume there is at least a degree of anonymity when they judge as to not influence each other's votes...)

It may be best to try to have non-EpicDuel players judge contests like this in the future (ie. AQW Mods, etc.). It would still obviously be subjective (not everyone has the same tastes), but at least issues of the popularity or amount of money spent by a person are alleviated.

In any case, I did enjoy looking at the houses that were entered in the contest and I'd love to see more of them soon. Ironically, I was someone who entered a more holiday-neutral themed house (with literally one Christmas Gift home item hiding at the back to meet the requirement the rules stated) but I think it'd be best to make themed home contests clearer. Forcing a Christmas/Winter/Frozen themed home for the contest would have probably been a better way to go for this specific contest. It'd be cool to see a general 'best home' contest in the future as well that opens the floor to any type of home. This one was more of a "yeah, we want you to enter a more Christmas themed home, but teeeeeeeechnically, you don't have to if you read the fine print" and that threw some people off a bit.

< Message edited by SMGS -- 1/9/2015 22:29:33 >
Post #: 30
1/9/2015 23:28:23   
Lord Machaar
Member

^ I think it could have been perfect if names were hidden before seeing houses, since many of the staffs find it like the perfect pay back to all the players that they don't like. And this is a fact.

Another thing is, I just can't be a hypocrite, I say the truth as it is. Many people can't take it, but it's the truth, I prefer to say what's on my mind and what's really going on, rather than glorifying the game and its devs to win a spot.
MQ Epic  Post #: 31
1/10/2015 12:20:51   
SouL Prisoner
Member

@OWA

That guy has the worst entry(Sr. Luciano) he just put some random items, took a snap and done. I don't care you agree or not, but if some computer program randomly choose the winners, it would have done a much much better job then the people who choose all these winners.

They wanted creativity and i put tons and even themed and still so many deserving people did not get chosen, instead people with some randomly placed home items are chosen to be the winners. The contest is called home "Decorating" Your suppose to sensibly decorate the home with items. Not just buy some expensive stuff and dump them in the house and good to go.

I just want to know how many people think that this is bad http://prntscr.com/5hfdvd , http://prntscr.com/5hfdzp and this is better https://twitter.com/ldluciano/status/539151759353327616 ?

Instead i wish they would just let players vote and choose winners. or at least Dev's them selves choose the winners. And no AK or In-game MOD should take part in contest. If they really want to be fair and not let others point finger at them!

< Message edited by SouL Prisoner -- 1/10/2015 12:24:40 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 32
1/10/2015 13:14:34   
Lord Machaar
Member

^ I would have same feeling if I had spent many thousands of credits and hours of working and thinking to give a master piece, so a guy comes with some varium decorations to take your place, and they randomly placed all that furniture.

I'm grateful I didn't apply, and I think I will never do, because for the last 6 years, same thing happens. AKs and Mods sort their things out with players like this, mods be like: "Ah, it's you, I don't like you, next... and so on..."

< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 1/10/2015 13:16:17 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 33
1/10/2015 14:41:20   
SouL Prisoner
Member

It just doesn't make any sense to let some players judge the competition. Obviously they will select either the people they like, want to be liked by them or someone they don't know. And definitely wont choose someone whom they dislike!

They can say all they want that how they judge the entries, but the facts wont change no matter what. And if Dev's don't want to hear this crap after every contest, they should clearly judge the competition by themselves! End of story.

p.s: No AK and MOD should take part in these contest. Because no matter how hard they try to judge, they will always try to favor them. aAnd others no matter what, they wont stop pointing fingers!
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 34
1/10/2015 15:29:08   
Mother1
Member

Soul Prisioner

Really? Have the players themselves judge? That would have so much biased it would be funny.

For example the most hated person in the game could have a home that was decorated extremely well but due to the hate this person gets could be judged to lose over someone who has a home that could be literally bare but would win because they are more liked than the other guy.
Epic  Post #: 35
1/10/2015 15:45:29   
Lord Machaar
Member

^ Yes, true. What mother1 says is pretty true, players can be misleaded, and every player will vote for his friend/faction member/varium donator.
Same thing goes for mods and AKs, they are also players. I personally don't go well with some AKs and Mods because my truth hurts them, which means my home will be disqualified no matter what I did, I knew that before, and I didn't put any effort to win, and I feel extremely blessed, because I have seen extraordinary homes, that the owners spent many hours and credits to make them look like that, so in the end, (s)he doesn't win because a mod/AK has something with him/her and/or a varium-package player dropped some varium decorations here and there and a carpet down there and won.

Atleast make a 100 or 250 rating points achievement for players who where close to win and didn't win because they didn't go well with your "Criteria", they sure deserve something for all the time and credits spent. Because according to the winning list, this task was given to mods/AKs when they were sleeping/eating/watching tv... counting from 1 to 10 and throwing numbers and votes. And tell me how do I know that, I will tell you check out the entries of winners and the entries of players that didn't win.

PS: if someone thought I didn't know that this will happen, my reply here to the discussion thread of the contest was pretty clear:

quote:

I hope that the judging will be based on creativity, even though this one is massively linked to how much varium/credits you have spent on that house.
I hope the criteria are based on creativity, elegance and originality.


Post: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=21879701

< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 1/10/2015 15:56:19 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 36
1/11/2015 14:31:52   
SouL Prisoner
Member

@Mother

How exactly is it any different now?? It's not like Dev's are judging. If players judge, it actually mean something... I mean i can't really tell why these players were chosen, but at least when players choose, there could be many good load reasons at least.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 37
1/11/2015 14:49:55   
Satafou
Member

If players were to choose who won events or if they were to choose what balance updates got implemented, this game would fall to corruption and stupidity.
Post #: 38
1/11/2015 14:51:43   
Mother1
Member

@ soul prisoner

Simple at least with the staff you can't sway them even if you are friends with them were as players can be easily swayed by their friends to vote a certain way when without that judgement they could vote otherwise.

That was what I was getting at with the whole "Person with a great home who could be a potential winner if judged without biased losing because they are hated by the masses and this is taken into account, to a person who could have a literally bare home but wins because they are either popular or liked better than the other person.

@ Satafou

my thoughts exactly.



< Message edited by Mother1 -- 1/11/2015 14:52:23 >
Epic  Post #: 39
1/11/2015 14:59:13   
DOOMdeath
Member

I'm surprised that dr Jekyll didn't win...
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 40
1/12/2015 2:36:28   
SouL Prisoner
Member

@Mother


I'm talking comparison wise. I don't say letting players vote is the best idea! I'm just saying it's no different from the current system" Most of the winners look like some random slot winners... "Luck by cheevo"
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 41
1/12/2015 6:15:07   
Lord Machaar
Member

@DOOMdeath
Many awesome houses didn't win ( excluding mine once again for any misunderstanding), most of them because of expressing their thoughts. Most winners don't post in forums and they are considered as good players. As for ones who express that thiughts are disquaflified for their behavior. So contests now are like the treat for shutting your mouth up.
MQ Epic  Post #: 42
1/12/2015 9:51:57   
Satafou
Member

^What you deem as perfection is not what someone else deems as perfection. Ever heard the saying "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"? This famous quote doesn't necessarily have to be towards attraction of people. Certain people find an image of nature with rivers running down the mountains their blissful environment where as others may find a nice white sand beach with palm tress to be their idea of paradise. Some people even find destruction of cities or even people to be their own idealism of perfection. Very few people can vote or even state anything without being slightly unbiased, and everyone has unique ideas of what perfection is.

< Message edited by Satafou -- 1/12/2015 9:52:25 >
Post #: 43
1/12/2015 11:40:50   
One Winged Angel1357
Member


 @Lord I can give you the real reasons why people were disqualified because it isn't for "speaking the truth." If you edited your screen shot in a program like photoshop. Editing your house layout after submitting your entry(We had to make sure you entered your house and that if you won people could visit it in game to see it). Entering more than one house design. And finally editing your entry post/tweet/whatever reddit uses. If you edit your post to show a better house then your out, if you delete your tweet same thing.

If you didn't break any of those rules you showed up in the first day of voting.
This was also a three day event of how many houses we had to go through and because you guys love to call me out on everything here is the tweet kicking off voting and the end showing voting has finally ended
8:32 AM - 3 Jan 2015
11:28 AM - 5 Jan 2015
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 44
1/12/2015 13:02:01   
Lord Machaar
Member

@Satafou:
This is not my opinion alone, many players had the same opinion. Somethings in the nature are beautiful in the eyes of everyone, sure everyone has a definition beauty, so according to this statement, there shouldn't be miss univerese, miss potato...? As you can see there is, so if you come and tell me everyone can pick up the houses that apeals to him, I will tell you know because:
There are critera taken in consideration, strict and clear for everyone, what I see sir is a direct violation of the criteria indicated in the rules.

@OWA
Don't feel targeted by me, I know this is the first time you choose winners in such contests and I know you did a great job, making videos, interacting with the community and etc, on the other hand, this speech is targeted for well know people, If you voted to winners fair and square, and I know you did that and that's what you are trying to prove, many others with you in the team didn't. I'm not speaking specifically on this contest, even though I can see that same thing happened here, I've started playing this game since 2009 and I've seen many contests. I don't know if you did, but I can tell this happened not once and not twice, it's just the same process of picking up mods and testers, as SMGS mentioned in his post, that's how they pick them, have you been good in-game/forum or not.

< Message edited by Lord Machaar -- 1/12/2015 13:17:15 >
MQ Epic  Post #: 45
1/12/2015 14:29:46   
Satafou
Member

Many people have the same opinion as you,because they are all bias. Miss universe is just a pure example of propaganda giving society the image that people should be as close to a miss universe like figure as possible. The image of beauty around the world, changes all the time. In the Victorian era, pale ghost like skin was seen as the skin of perfection, people went to all lengths to have this skin and many faced nasty side effects of substances they used to achieve this. However now, most people like a good tan and would frown upon ghost white skin. In Ancient Greece it was seen more attractive by women for men to have smaller private parts, yet in Rome women liked longer private parts more. In the 1950's the image of beauty was curvy women, however in today's society it is thin with large breasts and a round bum, with a proportion of people trying to get "curvy" back into the image of beauty as they dislike people fat shaming them. Hence the song "all about that bass". Or even Anaconda. My point is, players are not able to judge as they're simply too bias, although the devs could be slightly bias. It is no where near the scale of corruption which would occur if players who all have different ideas of what is winning material and what is not. There is also the fact that players have a much greater chance and range of voting for favorites and not even considering someone who is perhaps disliked but has a genuine well designed house.
Post #: 46
1/12/2015 17:51:34   
Melissa4Bella
AmeSylph


 From the Posting Behavior section of the =AE= Comprehensive Forum Rules:

quote:

Threatening, harassing, flaming or trolling anyone is not permitted. Any instance of misbehavior directed toward another user will result in any consequences deemed appropriate by forum staff.


This is a well-known fact within the forum community. No exceptions, nobody gets special permission to break the rules so that they can make blatant accusations against anybody else, no matter how strongly they feel they are right. All that sort of behavior does is cause turmoil within the community of players, which is extremely obvious in this thread. Sadly.

It's unfortunate because contests are meant to bring the communities together, not to pit them against one another. Sadly, all it takes is a handful of people to distort and twist things around just enough to cause endless drama.

There is nothing good or beneficial that can ever come out of targetting somebody else. It will never be allowed to happen on the AE Forums, which are meant to be family-friendly and community driven. When a community turns against each other, steps will be taken to prevent any further hostility.
Because of this, I'm locking this thread before that sort of behavior can go any further.
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