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12/14/2015 12:02:06   
LyRein
Member

@David

I'm not saying killing off characters is good writing.
I'm saying if a character has no chances of surviving why would you pull out a stupid reason to make them live when you can give them a good ending to their story?

^
That's bad writing

@Wolf

That's... a terrible argument..
If you want your characters to be relate-able you'll need to make them like real people.

Real people die and by your logic we don't care?

< Message edited by LyRein -- 12/14/2015 12:04:17 >
Post #: 26
12/14/2015 12:08:58   
David the Wanderer
Legendary AK!


@LyRein: Are you referring to a particular event? (disclaimer: I don't really play AQW) Because I don't recall AE ever having characters survive something they shouldn't have.

And again, just because people die in real life doesn't means you should kill characters left and right when writing a story. A main character's death can influence the whole story, and thus has to be properly planned and executed, if ever.
DF AQW  Post #: 27
12/14/2015 12:10:28   
Wolfofdoom3
Member

So if they die their relatable? I never said that characters dying is bad writing.If the author thinks it will work well then he can kill them.But if you're just doing it without any good reason it's bad writing.
Post #: 28
12/14/2015 12:16:46   
LyRein
Member

@above

All I said was AE should not hesitate to kill characters if they have to.
When did I ever say: how about we just nuke lore lmaooo

@David

I'm not referring to any event.
Sorry if you got confused!
Post #: 29
12/14/2015 12:21:08   
Wolfofdoom3
Member

There is actually some kind of ex machima event in DF, but your life is saved and it was kinda necesary for you to live.

Also above:Yeah when they have to!
Post #: 30
12/14/2015 12:22:34   
speedmeteor101
Member

@LyRein I'm not saying it won't be a 3D clone of aqw, so no need to get so defensive- I got the point before your message. I'm saying we don't really know how the game will really play out because it is only in alpha and has room to change (though, like you said, they sadly don't check enough, which I didn't know). I'm only saying that because the alpha-staged game is still going under some big changes and nothing is final. Artix also did mention he felt like it should be more of a Dragonfable 3d in a post on AQ3D.com and emphasized that he wanted to take the best elements from the oldees. So hypothetically, if we moved the best suggestions to a place they would see it, the game would improve a good bit. Above you said we can't judge AQ3D because it's in alpha... well guess what! I wasn't I was only providing my image of the ideal layout for what could be.... not saying that it WILL be. (I take it you thought I was saying that and that's why you got sorta hostile :P) And also you said, "If you've seen a certain Gjappy post, they plan to have tiers for items like AQW (common,rare,boss,epic etc)." I know that is one example, but there may also be many things from other games involved too. I think you're getting a little wrapped up in disappointments, which is okay because those disappointments of yours may become a reality. And the part about Sepulchure I was only talking about the Heroes. The continuity lies there. The world a villains are bound to change, though the best parts are kept.

Also on villains, I never said they needed to be a main I just said they could be there on the side.

And to answer the above point, I think most protagonists don't die because they are representative of staff members irl. Maybe if a staff member was about to leave or wanted to become a new character, a death could be arranged, but in most cases that won't happen. There would be the rare case such as Demento in the fire war. He was a completely fictional character and was easy to kill. Warlic, on the other hand is a real programmer and his character would still be around for that. But still, writers like Tomix arranged s[omething like, if not actually] a death in his story to conclude his quest-chain so it's possible. But not likely.


BTW I'm sorry if I didn't communicate clearly, cuz you misinterpreted just about everything I said and assumed too much. A lot of your argument is in response to stuff I din't say. Also I think the evidence you used is kind of biased. You see, I'm incorporating your argument into mine. You are somewhat banishing other points. Idk just how I see it. But just so you know- I know that what you said is right; you just got the wrong message and added more onto what I said.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 31
12/14/2015 12:27:51   
LyRein
Member

@above

it's ok.
the only reason why there's not much left to save is because open beta is planned for this year or first month next year.

open. beta.
they plan to SKIP closed beta.

that's a red flag right there.

and to be honest, I know the positive you're trying to say.
I only address the negatives because going on about how great the game is won't solve how bad it can get.

sorry if anyone was offended or found my posts aggressive.
they weren't written to be xD
Post #: 32
12/14/2015 12:34:38   
Rezilia
Member

Technically, the current Alpha is more like other games' CB. Actual Alphas are normally filled with hired game testers and volunteer testers that passed an application to join.
DF AQW  Post #: 33
12/14/2015 12:37:05   
Wolfofdoom3
Member

Wait wasn't open beta gonna appear in summer 2016?
Post #: 34
12/14/2015 12:51:26   
LyRein
Member

@above

Taken from AQ3D Alpha FAQ

quote:

How long will the Alpha Testing Phase last?
As long as it needs to. We are aiming for an Open Beta in late winter (late this year/early next). Wish us luck!

Post #: 35
12/14/2015 12:54:21   
Wolfofdoom3
Member

Ohh....If the beta is full of bugs or other problems it might get negative reviews.
Post #: 36
12/14/2015 15:24:34   
Rezilia
Member

^ Agreed. It shouldn't be posted on GPlay until its initial bugs have been sorted out. GPlay reviews are cutthroat.
DF AQW  Post #: 37
12/16/2015 2:46:18   
Christophoses
AQW Tester
&
Lore Adept


Vaxen has been confirmed to play a big role in AQ3D, however I don't understand why since he has absolutely no back story making him and incredibly boring villain. There is also that person that's on the cover of the 2016 AE calendar. He/she looks pretty villain worthy

I think some other great additional villains could also be Sepulchure and the Mysterious Stranger. They have been fan favorites for a long time so it would make sense to bring them along. Drakath should NOT re-appear in this game since he's had enough time in the spotlight. Maybe the Queen of Monsters could also come along, depending on how AQW is concluded.
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 38
12/16/2015 5:15:22   
Rlogg
Member

@above Wait when was vaxen confirmed to play major role and by who, i mean they clearly said that their making new villans and the old ones wont play a major role if they are added.


< Message edited by Rlogg -- 12/16/2015 5:23:02 >
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 39
12/16/2015 8:04:24   
Wolfofdoom3
Member

Wait a sec guys I think they changed their mind:"Beta will be happening in the summer, there have been quite a few things planned so we had to push it back" taken from here(in one of the comment replies):http://www.aq3d.com/news/aq3d-was-greenlit-on-steam/



So beta will be happening later,also above:I really hope Vaxen won't play a major role in AQ3D.

< Message edited by Wolfofdoom3 -- 12/16/2015 8:07:30 >
Post #: 40
12/16/2015 8:28:19   
Rezilia
Member

quote:

Beta will be happening in the summer, there have been quite a few things planned so we had to push it back


Incorrect. The summer release only refers to mobile and Steam, not the general browser OB.
DF AQW  Post #: 41
12/16/2015 8:32:51   
Wolfofdoom3
Member

Hey I only typed what I saw.Do you not notice that's a quote?Anyway how are you so sure it's incorrect....HMMM HMMM HMMMM!! HMM!!!!!

< Message edited by Wolfofdoom3 -- 12/16/2015 8:42:18 >
Post #: 42
12/16/2015 14:40:53   
Azan
Member

quote:

quote:

Beta will be happening in the summer, there have been quite a few things planned so we had to push it back

Incorrect. The summer release only refers to mobile and Steam, not the general browser OB.

Actually, Wolfofdoom3 was quoting Platinum Lady, who is a tester for the game if I'm not mistaken. So, I think that's word of staff that the beta is going to be released in the summer. To add, Cysero also posted this just before Platinum Lady's comment:
quote:

Summer beta is what we are aiming for. Nothing but a lot of work will be happening in January.
Post #: 43
12/16/2015 14:46:34   
Wolfofdoom3
Member

Above:Yes that's what I was saying!
Post #: 44
12/16/2015 17:53:23   
Anvos
Member

Way I've taken it is that AQ3D is supposed to start shortly after the founding of modern Battleon and is supposed to be the AQ "reboot" for lack of a better term, but isn't bound to rehashing AQ's past similar to how DF wasn't bound to repeat the events of AQ.

Based on this I would expect the story to be more akin to AQ/DF than AQW, plus the failed hero rival noob suddenly gains a boat load of power was a sort of meh premise for the main story in AQW.

Also the AQ/DF timeline continuity works better for a game since MQ would lend more to a shooter story and AQW's very nature being a jumble universe makes it harder to adequately do and would pose major theme consistency issues for an mmo since it seems unlikely to keep the weekly release pattern just due to the greater complexity of a 3D world.

The way I see it is AQ3D's plot is meant to be another timeline branch of the AQ/DF universe where we find out what would have happened had the Devour not begun his return soon after Battleon's founding and it could be easily justified by working off another branch of the Erebus replacing the ShadowSycthe Emperor, but maybe this time the DF era ends with Seppy getting his wish to use the ultimate orb to bring back his love and then turning the orb on Erebus/ShadowScythe Emperor to destroy them so he could claim his freedom and the reason for the exodus from the west would be due to a now leaderless ShadowScythe horde rampage across the land back west.

< Message edited by Anvos -- 12/16/2015 18:03:38 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 45
12/16/2015 18:13:55   
speedmeteor101
Member

^ I like your thought process m8

So specific tho... but I guess in those spots you are just pitching ideas or guesing :P
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 46
12/16/2015 18:22:55   
Anvos
Member

Yes a bit of the final section is just educated guesswork based on what we know about the other games timelines/existences and extrapolating how that might be applied to the existence of AQ3D and justifying a more reasonable initial plot than AQW.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 47
12/16/2015 18:57:13   
speedmeteor101
Member

Yeah, you basically had a more specific version of what I said (that LyRein replied to) with a slightly different focal point. I'm glad to know another player has ideas similar to mine... it's reassuring :D
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 48
12/16/2015 19:14:13   
LyRein
Member

@Anvos

quote:

failed hero rival noob suddenly gains a boat load of power was a sort of meh premise for the main story in AQW.


If referring to Hero. It was the EDoT using the Hero's body after Galanoth slayed the EDoT.
If referring to Drakath. He was dying after we slayed Dragon Drakath and the necklace Slugwrath gave him was a family necklace which QoM (apparently Drakath's mother) used to give Drakath power from the Chaos Realm.
Post #: 49
12/17/2015 5:44:27   
Rezilia
Member

quote:

If referring to Hero. It was the EDoT using the Hero's body after Galanoth slayed the EDoT.


EDoT = Hero

The EDoT reincarnated into the Hero. The EDoT wasn't simply using the Hero's body.

quote:

If referring to Drakath. He was dying after we slayed Dragon Drakath and the necklace Slugwrath gave him was a family necklace which QoM (apparently Drakath's mother) used to give Drakath power from the Chaos Realm.


That's not canon.

In AQW, Drakath sought power and eventually stumbled onto a way to server MoM. That's all that happened.

quote:

since MQ would lend more to a shooter story


Not really?

Focusing solely on guns is a stylistic choice. Remember that Star Wars treats Ranged, Melee, and Magic the way a typical fantasy would.

quote:

but maybe this time the DF era ends with Seppy getting his wish to use the ultimate orb to bring back his love and then turning the orb on Erebus/ShadowScythe Emperor to destroy them so he could claim his freedom and the reason for the exodus from the west would be due to a now leaderless ShadowScythe horde rampage across the land back west


Any timeline where Seppy gets a happy ending is a good timeline.


I'd honestly prefer that the Staff not even claim it's a timeline. It's already hard enough for us "All-In-Ones" to fight against the "different timelines based on one another but completely separate" mentality, we shouldn't have to try to include AQ3D in there, too.
DF AQW  Post #: 50
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