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12/18/2015 6:44:02   
Thade
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You want to know what I think the plot will be like, I think it's going to be some kind of high fantasy with science fiction elements thrown in. Anyone who's complaining about characters or story lines now will get their time machine repossessed.

I don't know who this Vaxen guy is, but everyone says he was kinda bland and uninteresting. So was Obi Wan in Star Wars in episode not the good ones, and he's still a pretty fantastic character the other 90% of the time he's written competently. Continuing on the Star Wars tangent, if you look at Darth Vader circa 1977 all he had going for him was a goofy robot costume, space magic, and James Earl Jones. He wasn't very interesting in terms of his character because he was essentially just The Jew Hunter with a light saber, but he was still super cool and super evil. Grimsbane does sound dumb, and his name might as well be Sr. Evil McBadguy, but all great literature has a history of having villains with equally ridiculous sounding names. Mordred, Sauron, Jar Jar Binks, silly names are just evil

I liked Drakath and Sepulchure as villains just a little bit more than I liked antagonists such as Chaos from AQW and The Devourer because they seem a little bit more interesting. Ya, Drakath was a whinny mess, but you know what, those who live in glass houses. Even some of the early chaos lords were kind engaging because their motives and goals weren't watered down to "Kill enough time for the devs to come up with another chaos lord".

Do I want to see old villains? Ya, Carnax looks like it's going to be a lot of fun to take on, and I really feel like Xan dropping off the face of the earth was a real disservice to the guy, I always liked him.
Do I want to see new villains? If there weren't any I'd be disappointed. AE's constant recycling of lore and characters was always their greatest strength and biggest weakness. Recognition only gets you so far. The novelty of Drakath being the antagonist in AQW or Galanoth training you in dragon slaying in every single game grows old quickly. Especially after you realize that the entire paladin order might just be made up entirely of Artix and a couple of sock puppets if we're going by in game evidence.

But other than just the villains, I think that AQ3D might be a great place to see the world of Lore in a new way, or at lest have us go on new adventures. Again, using past games as an example, the elemental orbs must have been lost and found so many times by now that you would think there's some kind of rewards program. Find four elemental orbs and you get a magic weapon complements of Cysero, find eight and you get a 10% off coupon for Arby's. It's already been confirmed that there's some kind of magical something or others hidden away under the ruins of all those guardian towers I expect to find littered across the map, but why does it always have to be the elemental orbs. I understand that magic artifacts like that are important to keep safe, but can you imagine how inconvenient it must be for anyone who want's to keep anything that's not an elemental orb locked away.

"Hello Ms. Guardian person, I found this here magical thing and it seems to be some kind of ancient weapon of unspeakable power. Can you keep it safe inside your nice fortified tower over there?"

"Sorry, can't help you."

"But wouldn't be safer if this was with you and not just sitting around in a field somewhere?"

"Well yes, but we can't help you. This tower is already protecting a magical artifact. Have you tried building your own tower and training your own order of knights?"

< Message edited by Thade -- 12/18/2015 6:52:35 >
Post #: 76
12/18/2015 10:42:28   
Rezilia
Member

quote:

I think it's going to be some kind of high fantasy with science fiction elements thrown in.


From what we've seen so far, it'll only be low fantasy with fanfiction-esque storytelling and absolutely no science fiction at all.

quote:

Especially after you realize that the entire paladin order might just be made up entirely of Artix and a couple of sock puppets if we're going by in game evidence.


Making that canon would actually be typical AE fashion.

quote:

Find four elemental orbs and you get a magic weapon complements of Cysero, find eight and you get a 10% off coupon for Arby's.

"Hello Ms. Guardian person, I found this here magical thing and it seems to be some kind of ancient weapon of unspeakable power. Can you keep it safe inside your nice fortified tower over there?"

"Sorry, can't help you."

"But wouldn't be safer if this was with you and not just sitting around in a field somewhere?"

"Well yes, but we can't help you. This tower is already protecting a magical artifact. Have you tried building your own tower and training your own order of knights?"


This guy deserves a medal.
DF AQW  Post #: 77
12/18/2015 11:05:14   
LyRein
Member

@above

it's not low fantasy at all. it's high fantasy.

but yeah the guardian tower thing is so true
Post #: 78
12/18/2015 17:07:38   
Christophoses
AQW Tester
&
Lore Adept


If Drakath changes his life goals in AQ3D I would be willing to accept his introduction. The one thing that can't happen to him is that he obtains an incredible amount of magical power. I think in this game he should be a knight with exceptional skills. He could also keep his Champion of Chaos armor to show that it's a part of his past, but it should only be for aesthetics. I also strongly agree that his relationship with Robina should flourish. That ship should have sailed a LONG time ago. They're relationship could be based on something along the lines of "love conquers all selfishness". Although it might be kind of hard for her to get over the fact that Drakath was kind of responsible for the death of her father...

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I'm very pleased that we're all on the same page about the Mysterious Stranger. He is definitely one of AE's greatest villains and needs to keep his role in this game. The thing is that he should be introduced early on in the game. He got a late debut in AQW which now makes his existence in that timeline a little odd.

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I'm sorry, but Vaxen is boring. Whatever happened in AQW should just be carried over into this game. Meaning that if Vaxen had no backstory in AQW he should be just as underdevelopped in AQ3D. Also, this game should be nothing more than a new timeline in the AE universe. A fresh start wouldn't make sense if there are plans to re-introduce previous protagonists and antagonists.
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 79
12/18/2015 17:27:25   
LyRein
Member

@above

maybe instead of armour
he has a scar on one side of his face which is purple/pinkish and the affected side' eye is also chaos shaped.

yeah i agree on the magic part though.
Post #: 80
12/18/2015 19:01:43   
Rezilia
Member

quote:

it's not low fantasy at all. it's high fantasy.


The other AE games are high fantasy. I'm saying that AQ3D seems so far to be low fantasy - completely mundane with a few spells thrown in.
DF AQW  Post #: 81
12/18/2015 19:18:30   
LyRein
Member

@above

have u seen the slime lord. rock golem. individual thinking skeletons. dragons with lairs. throwing fireballs

pretty high fantasy to me
Post #: 82
12/18/2015 20:30:33   
speedmeteor101
Member

@ckdragonck and @LyRein

You guys interpret fantasy differently

ckdragon seems to interpret it through the features of the classic game/environment: basically DF.. based more on the players' roles (how does player work) and what features are in the story (i got that from the lack of spells and made some assumptions about what else ck may be thinking)

LyRein seems to be going for the general AE/fantasy themes & functionality of the more general game/environment.. what's in the environment (how does world work) and what features are in the world (based off of the list of monsters and their [as well as general] actions)

One seems more like a DF vs AQW, personally... but idk correct me if I'm wrong

< Message edited by speedmeteor101 -- 12/18/2015 20:34:22 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 83
12/19/2015 4:15:14   
Rezilia
Member

Speed has it right.

When the mundane is deemed amazing and the magical is deemed normal, that's called magical realism and it's a type of low fantasy. AQ3D is currently exuding that, as all of its magical features are like backdrops while things like caves and bridges are more eccentric.

That's what I was going for.
DF AQW  Post #: 84
12/19/2015 5:16:52   
megakyle777
Member

I'm all up for Good Drakath for once. Let him have his kingdom and some decency I say.
DF  Post #: 85
12/19/2015 5:51:13   
David the Wanderer
Legendary AK!


If Drakath appears, I'd rather him be Drakath the Great Darkness Dragon. That is a much more interesting character than any of his other incarnations.
DF AQW  Post #: 86
12/19/2015 5:54:01   
Rezilia
Member

quote:

Drakath the Great Darkness Dragon


You mean the AQC one? That one sucked.
DF AQW  Post #: 87
12/19/2015 6:14:50   
David the Wanderer
Legendary AK!


Iunno. AQ!Drakath was behind a lot of AQ's plot or involved somehow, and he has had this interesting character arc about being risen again and again by Necromancers, never allowed to rest in peace... And in his last appearance, it was revealed he was human before; an human that looks exactly like DF's Drakath...

It is an interesting story, definitely more interesting than a self-entitled guy repeatedly failing to do anything in hilarious ways, or the whole "Champion of Chaos" deal.
DF AQW  Post #: 88
12/19/2015 7:16:05   
megakyle777
Member

Yeah, but Drakath as evil has been done so many times. I'd like a retelling, see what happens if he decided to recipricate Robina rather then give in to his lust for the crown. I mean I think it's possible to do, it must exist somewhere why not AQ3D? And I think it could work. A good prince/king, who turned his back on the darknes and his desire for the crown and would gain it for giving it up, and knows it, who decided to become a good ruler rather then a force for evil, but somewhere deep insdie that evil and hate still exists but is tamed by love...

< Message edited by megakyle777 -- 12/19/2015 7:17:01 >
DF  Post #: 89
12/19/2015 7:48:33   
Rezilia
Member

That's a bit too cheesy. Where's the mindbreak? You can't have a story about Drakath without his mind breaking.

< Message edited by ckdragonck -- 12/19/2015 7:49:03 >
DF AQW  Post #: 90
12/19/2015 8:00:57   
megakyle777
Member

Well cleary Grimsbane kills Robina and he goes mad. Duh.

But seriously, point is let's have a Good Drakath for a change.
DF  Post #: 91
12/19/2015 8:08:47   
David the Wanderer
Legendary AK!


I'm pretty sure Drakath ultimately losing is, like, Law #1 of the Multiverse.

"In the beginning were the Spirits of the Devs, and they said 'Drakath is a loser across all time and space'; and a loser he was, and the Devs saw it was good"
DF AQW  Post #: 92
12/19/2015 8:08:55   
speedmeteor101
Member

Okaaay. NAW, Drakath starts off bad [bandit], but Robina changes everything about him (like it's inuyasha or something) and then when they are about to actually get togehter, Grimsbane kills him (cuz he protects robina). Then the hero and this couople are involved in a large mess of other things involvingGrimsbane, but in the last battle (say right before this Drakath Proposes) Grimsbane takes out a couple of protagonists (not robina) and Drakath dies again, but forever. I'd looove to see something like that.

Plot twist 2: and he has a son before he dies. Or another suitor is introduced who is nicer and kinder after he revived the first time and yu fight a war to protect one of them and he gets a happy ending and the other dies. Then the the couple has a kid and winner becomes Odysseus? idk story would work w/ o grimsbane. It'd be nice to see drakath and robina sort of have to earn each other...

< Message edited by speedmeteor101 -- 12/19/2015 8:31:28 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 93
12/19/2015 8:50:32   
Rezilia
Member

quote:

(like it's inuyasha or something)


Demon Fox Drakath x Miko Robina?

Ship it good! :D

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Srsly tho, AE should have Drakath be a good guy in AQ3D but make it so that he ends up getting his happy ending...by losing.

quote:

Then the the couple has a kid and winner becomes Odysseus?


*roflcopter*
DF AQW  Post #: 94
12/19/2015 9:56:58   
LyRein
Member

@above

I want Drakath to be like the new Jaime Lannister mixed in with some Stannis Baratheon mixed in with some mind-breaking emotional issues.

how cool would that be.
like. dragon drakath was terribly made
df drakath was made so DF players can hate him
aqw drakath was made because AE realized he can be pretty evil under the right circumstances.

now we need a drakath that has to deal with taking over swordhaven (in the good way i mean) but fighting the urge to fall into slugwrath type power.

and Robina can influence his actions (Ygritte and Jon Snow)
he'd have to deal with Lord Brentan and his attempt to rise to power
he'd have to make tough decisions which could affect him negatively because of his past and make decisions that slowly redeem him.

that's called character development.
Post #: 95
12/19/2015 11:05:07   
Rezilia
Member

^ This.
DF AQW  Post #: 96
12/19/2015 13:37:05   
speedmeteor101
Member

@Ly

Deep. Very deep. If we can get stories/characters like that then we'd ave a real good time. Idk how long it's been since you played DF, but I think the Tomix saga hit the spot. That was one of the most mature stories AE ever made. Tomix + Raidine was what seemed probable... then a lot of stuff happens... Tomix's soul mate (apprentice dude) that helps us defeat greed turns on him and becomes the ultimate enemy after greed and then to kill him tomix kills/sacrifices himself (ambiguous and suspenseful ending). And then his other friend on the journey gets w/ raidine. Things like that make us players happy.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 97
12/19/2015 14:22:47   
megakyle777
Member

quote:

now we need a drakath that has to deal with taking over swordhaven (in the good way i mean) but fighting the urge to fall into slugwrath type power.

and Robina can influence his actions (Ygritte and Jon Snow)
he'd have to deal with Lord Brentan and his attempt to rise to power
he'd have to make tough decisions which could affect him negatively because of his past and make decisions that slowly redeem him.

that's called character development.


I will admit I disagree with some of what you say here, but you hit the nail on the head for what I'd want to see from a Good Drakath.
DF  Post #: 98
12/19/2015 14:53:52   
LyRein
Member

@above

what did you disagree with?
Post #: 99
12/19/2015 15:00:02   
Anvos
Member

I don't think anybody in their right mind would let a Slugwrath anywhere near a throne under any legitimate pretense within the timespan of when this game is supposed to take place. The legacy of their dynasty isn't one of peace and prosperity, but rather corruption and tyranny where they were responsible for most of the worst roving monsters they were "protecting" people from, and while not widely known to the populace since they spent time covering it up they literally murdered their way to the throne.

Also without AQW's lets teleport a city thing Battleon isn't part of Alteon's kingdom.

< Message edited by Anvos -- 12/19/2015 15:01:39 >
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