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I created this thread to address why significant items should return. Not all items should return because not all of them have the reasoning to do so. It's mostly canonical items that should make a permanent comeback.

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Rare hunters aren't the problem, the rare tag is the problem. We don't have a problem with the players, we have a problem with the game.

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As for "respecting" rare collectors, I can't find it in myself to value a portion of the community that finds joy in others not being able to obtain specific items. That's egotistical and takes away from the fun of the game.

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either in a separate shop or to buff a skimpy Quibble? This should make a lot of people happy (rare hunters can't legitimately complain) and it Finally fulfills the promise that these items would return.

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I don't believe the intent of this thread was to attack certain individuals but I suppose such a thing was inevitable given the topic. I won't pretend I care about the feelings of those who are crazed over any and all rares to the point where it's an addiction. But I guess I should tone down the indirect attacks. I'll still not agree with their way of thinking.

Rares are obviously part of the game and while not everyone enjoys them, we do accept they exist. I don't think it's wrong to see a decrease of them nor do I think it's a bad idea to sometimes let some return. Who knows how long AQW will survive? Why not allow others the chance to enjoy what you have?

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I'd say any item that has a direct effect on one's experience with the game should be considered for a return. Random armors, weapons, capes, helms, and non-quest pets are of little importance to me. I'd have no strong feelings one way or the other if such things came back.

However, if these items are also found in the other games, why not have them as permanent content? At this time I don't have a list of such items.

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They make recolors constantly; I don't know why you can't just enjoy that instead of devaluing what older players received a while ago. Bringing back rare classes I can sort of understand although the older ones are pretty much all worse than what we have access to all the time in the game, but bringing back old art does nothing. If you want to enjoy old art just look at the Wiki, you don't have to carry it around.

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I wonder if the overabundance of rares is what lead to many players quitting the game. The desire to get multiple rares each week was probably too much for some people and since they saw nothing else of interest in this game, they might have left. By altering AQW into a game that allows everyone a chance to experience things without fear of missing out, maybe it can have more players.

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Is nonsense. This whole discussion is turning in a war all i see is people telling to be nice and humble but i see the word elitist over billion times and other "insults" to rare collector as if they are something we should stay away. Besides, most of the answer are given in the purpose to atack the mentality of those rare collector besides using the logical to come with an idea, discuss about it, come with a logical argument and end the post. For all this i have discouraged myself to respond to all those re-post since they seems to not separate two things: You have a problem with a logical-in-game idea. No with the idea behind collecting things for the sake of collecting...

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Sorry but no, that is a portion of people that enjoy something called RARE TAG, you can again as i already say CALL IT what you want, you can say we are the worst that we are (put all kind of indirect insult here) but when you make a game like AE make aqw there is something called rare tag and that is a LOGICAL feature that CANT be changed or re-directed just because that group is ...i hate this word .... elitist... that is just ask for a change in a logical feature for a personal matter that is ilogical.

This is the last i gonna write at least... at least i see decents comments.

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Honestly? I do think sometimes both sides are as bad as the other. Every time a discussion like this comes down both sides do indeed take potshots at the other untill AK's decide we can't keep it mature and lock it down.. I think the problem with this discussion is that both are entirely different, valid, opposing mindsets. You got one that thinks every item should be avalible to all and you go one who thinks that the items they earned have value for being there at the time or working for it. There's gonna be frustration and clashes on the matter since they basicaly directly oppose. But we can't just cancel the discussion entirely, since both sides need to be heard and whichever side you are on it's a problem that needs discussion. DX

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Rares are obviously part of the game and while not everyone enjoys them, we do accept they exist. I don't think it's wrong to see a decrease of them nor do I think it's a bad idea to sometimes let some return. Who knows how long AQW will survive? Why not allow others the chance to enjoy what you have?

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Thinking on it, I think some kind of compromise would be the best optiuon all around. Recolors seems ideal, and it allows the return of old quests/classes/valued items without nullifying the old gaurd of rares.

But the problem with recoloring all current rare itens and returning all current rare quests/features is that you need to color them in a way that respects the original design while making it clear it is not the original. Which ion the case of, say Void Knight would be hard since grey is it's classic color. Also, the amount of rares to be recolored.

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Also in cases of LQS/Packages variants, maybe include the new re-release content to be available for the original owners as well. That way, the person that brought/gained the original higher value rare item won't feel cheated from seeing their old rare having a new variant released.

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Although the issue with the doom wheel is that those rather "iconic," or more accurately unique, items kinda hold that souvineer status of rares anyhow. Which, brings this discussion back to the whole "what kinda rares/removed content qualify for making a comeback." Since, there are items (like the 19th quibble/ thespan's quibble) that people tend to agree should be able to return within reason.

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Yes a decrease would be nice, alina say is gonna happend so that has been solved. Seems fine for me since im not a rare hunter (but i do have most of rare badges and items from old years), but the problem is that when you want something like this to happend you need a good reason for it, not for the rare hunter people because as you say it will be a little portion of those, but because AE dont usually go with all the ideas just because thhey would be nice and cool, most of the time is because they find a problem and make a solution.
For recoloring i dont see a problem since there are example from the past that show that AE sometimes recolor rares.

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This is exactly what happened with the Undead Paladin set, didn't it? As opposed to being a drop like the Mirror Realm version, it was comprised of a super-low-drop and Mirror Tokens at 5%.

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For example while Bradric's armor is just a simple addition of should on his plaudrons/shoulder pads, making his armor more of an edit, and a small one, to the original armor without changing much about it..

His sword though is more of a full recolor, it takes the middle bit of the original sword and turned it gold n removed the glow the original had as well. Both are somewhat/rather small changes, but one is more noticeable, which suggests more of a full recolor/variant. The sword's glow being missing and now have a gold center, compared to literally just fill-bucketing the bit of shoulder pads that connect his shoulder pads to the armor.

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I think making variants of rare items is a decent option. As many have pointed out, recolors are something that happens often. And I think as long as these variants aren't identical to the original items, even those who love their rares would have little to complain about. Probably.