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ambien -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:42:19)

l will tell u how if u remb casters if they wanted to use the skills they changed to dex the 1 skill we had to put more dex in stats which we use all tech so now we lost tech because we had to use it dex wow dnt u remb or was it to long ago

always the syfy



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:44:54)

Tech was for PB and Multi and Dex for Overload and SC. I do remember that, I was one of the Casters back then and I adjusted Multi by taking it out for SC. So what if progression is different? You could still use Dex like before but with Multi not SC and Tech received more like a nerf-buff. Also it's quite hard to understand you. >.>



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:45:38)

It's not our fault if you decided to use Rain and train dex rather than switch to Super Charge and continue abusing tech.



ambien -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:49:04)

btw l never used that build rain with bolt sorry for breaking the news to u


always the syfy



ScarletReaper -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 18:37:20)

Caster TM IS a bit op'ed. How do I know? I tried it out for a while with great success. Am I one now? no. Why? I hate common builds. Plus my 5 focus mage pwns casters. A little strategy goes a long way. ;p Do I think casters need a SLIGHT fix? Yes. Will it kill people to add a little strength to use PB? No. Would they have to adjust thier build slightly or change to a new build? Probably. Is that a bad thing? No.



The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 19:00:34)

BH's are very balanced, but I feel masscre is too strongmaybe bring it down to 120% at max would be better.



kittycat -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 19:22:52)

I use a 5 focus caster build that works like a caster but doesn't have the endless energy pool and HP is not even 110. It's pretty effective and on occasion, I defeat the so-called Tech Spammer biuild.



Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 1:05:13)

Holy moly!
Trying a str Merc
Found out, wasting a turn on blood commander is NOT worth it
I Maul, Berserker, then depending on their class, I either intimidate or double strike, then if I intimidated, then I use Maul again



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 1:08:13)

@blaze I say put a support req on Maul. Back in Gamma when the new frost gear came out I made a tank str build that would've met any req in dex or tech put onto Maul. I had minimum support though so a support would definitely have limited that build.



Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 1:22:06)

My tech is like... 30 base
My support is 28
my dex is 42, for obvious reasons
My maul is... hmmm... 4 or 6.... can't remember
It's a decent build, only, having minimum 30 defenses after armor seems kinda low, I still take a ton of damage



reistar -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 1:42:03)

You guys should help the Tactical Mercenaries, they're the weakest class now, and every class, and I'm mean EVERY CLASS, could dominate them easily in seconds... You guys should fix that.



Blaze The Aion Ender -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 2:05:43)

@reistar
I was recently, since I am a class hopper, and I can surely tell you that TLM is nowhere near UP if used correctly
It is a slow class, and only truly effective with a 5 focus build at high lvls, but can have an above 90% win ratio, despite all the str BHs and focus BM's, which seem to be the two dominating classes currently.



ScarletReaper -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 3:32:14)

tlm is far from underpowered. It's slow, and requires some strategy, but very effective. It is by far the most effective tank and heal looping class, has an amazing poison ability, and is king of juggernaut.



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 4:43:51)

Issue with TLMs? It's too slow for them. You know what? Lies. Just invest in Str a lot like abusers, try to cover Dex/Tech requirements, E Armor + Mineral, invest quite a bit in Frenzy + Heal + Reroute so you can still Heal from time to time and it won't be useless; TLMs can easily get to 30 Res/Def including Armors (E + Mineral) which will cover some of the damage and abuse Str like crazy.
I've seen some of TLMs using this build, it's fast and works just as well. Assault Bot is good to have with it and it's not slow as I said.



Wootz -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 9:42:37)

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Support TM's are really OP! And every one will disigree because your one of them, but their ridiculos! So this guy malf's me and takes away 52 technology away... 52! And now he has an aux that does 22-27 +39 damage not to mention my defenses are garbage. He does 57 damage like what the heck! I then attack and do whatever then he whips out his sidearm which wouldn't be so strong, but because he has deadly aim it's 16-20+35+10 plus my defenses are still awful so he does 69 damage on a critical hit, I'm at 2 health. He goes for the infernal android special attack now keep in mind I have no defense he's gonna do 140% cause of it's special, and because he has high spport and it's been a few turns he raging. And then he crits so he does 65 damage r even higher I forget the last one.


That's a weak! I've had more as a Cyber Hunter. My average damage was between 61-70. But both defense and resistance are crappy, I was running around with 20-24 & 19-23 and 26-32 +39 Auxiliary damage.
This is the top I've done:
Static Charge a.k.a. primary: 72 damage
Auxiliary: 89 damage
Gun: got no idea, I don't use that crap.



D.v.D. -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 10:51:18)

tlm have no real synergy between skills

spoiler:

inb4 fc,frenzy,doublestrike and atomsmasher



Promiscuous -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 15:05:19)

That's about right tbh... I use mainly 1-2 (heal and sometimes frenzy) active skills in most fights with my focus tlm.
TLM doesn't need a buff or a nerf but something to make it more versatile.



ScarletReaper -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 16:18:23)

You people comparing tlm to ch remember, the issue is wether or not tlm is underpowered, not wether their attacks do more damage than ch attacks do. All I know is tlm is THE best tanking class in the game, and has the best poison in the game, has reroute, which is waaaaaaaaaay better than static charge now, and can make good support builds with their multi and field commander.



ur going to fail -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 16:35:25)

all classes are p. much balanced atm I'd say.

but i think a slight nerf to DA/BL is called for.



deltaknight7 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 19:04:37)

i think supp needs to be buffed a little



ur going to fail -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 20:27:22)

they should make bludgeon staff only again! finishing touchs on making game balanced forreal; then change shadow arts to increasing chances to hit, not chances to block.



TRizZzCENTRINO -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 21:44:30)

@ur going to fail make bludgeon staff only is a good idea. but making shadow arts more of a chance to hit is useless. and its the only defence cybers have against strength spamming other classes.



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 21:47:33)

They made Bludgeon into swords and staff because Double Strike isn't limited to class weapons. If you want to change Bludgeon to staff only then you'll probably need to buff it someway or do the same on Double Strike.



Stabilis -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 21:51:58)

Cheap Shot is still a blob. Not only do swords have to be able to Cheap a Shot as does Double Strike and Bludgeon- but also to change that bonus to critical strike to increased armour ignorance!



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/9/2012 21:56:35)

@void It's probably because it ignores defense and has extra chance to crit as well as both hunters having further ways to buff the damage of it that it's limited to claws. You also have to consider that they would only have 2 class weapon specific skills without Cheap Shot just like TMs who have 3 class weapon specific skills.



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