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Calogero -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 16:51:43)

quote:

Take out the bots out of the game then you see players that thinks
their 5 focus builds be less successful due to they don't have a bot to win the battle for them.


the amount of ' no sense ' in that is mind boggling...
I've been one of the first 5 focus BMs, and I have never had any problems with the battles...

You Win some, You Lose some, end of Discussion.
The only potentional Buff BloodMages could get is perhaps:
1: FieldMedic improving with Support again on a smaller scale than before
2: Intimidate getting a somewhat small buff...

quote:

use
boost, oh wait, it only gives 25 points of energy how much at max does Plasma Cannon need, that is correct 33 points of energy.
So where is the Blood Mage suppose to get that 8 points out of thin air


Apparently you can't train energy... Dude if you lack the energy, ADD MORE

quote:

Shoot the target 100 times and if one gets
Critical damage more often than adjust that part of the equation because each should get and equal chance of
getting critical damage especially on first strike or at rage.


Note: Each Use of BunkerBuster/Plasma Cannon has a 25% Chance of Critting.
That means each ' Use ' of the attack has a 1 in 4 chance of critting, not every 4 attacks it crits...


and finaly:
quote:

Talking about luck is forbidden in balance.


Then why are you talking about Dex/Tech/Support and them Blocking/Deflecting/Critting... which is obviously Luck Based?


That's it, If you can't win the fights well then You are doing something very wrong



The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 16:55:44)

BM is under powered really? We'll I guess it's fine I mean we could change something... Hey hun aren't you a BM... huh isn't that a little biased, is it because your that class you want it to be the best so you can be the best? I mean BM's are pretty amazing.

The Average Blood Mage Battle (The Average Str Blood Mage)

1. Bludgeon- does an average of 30-45 damage pretty good so far and you got a nice little chunk of health back too from Blood Lust.

2. Your Sidearm does an average of 22-27 damage or even higher, plus the 10 from deadly aim and the 35+ bonus damage from your sidearm so your doing about 30-45 damage and regaining a nice little chunk of HP.

3. Just an nice easy attack for 25-35 damage.

4. Rage has probably kicked in so just attack, use your bot or even use bludgeon again if you can either way your doing a ton of damage.

Not to mention the energy sheild and dex boost they have to help them even more! And why not include fireball it isn't weak and does a fair amount of damage or just because it does a little less damage now and is not OP it's made out to be weak I use it and get 30-40 damage out of it or would you like 50-60 because I guess a class can't be good unless it's doing buket loads of damage right Hun?

And are you really correcting Trans for how he spelled Blah are you grasping at straws on this argument so your correcting someones spelling he knows how to spell it he just choose to do it that way and were talking about Epic Duel here and the balance not Epic Spelling.



kingpowerlord -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 16:56:02)

quote:

if I has 25-34+35 damage versus someone
with a total of 30 defense on rage, I would ignore
half their defense(on each person) equalling 45 on
each, 85 percent of 45 is 38.25 rounding to 38 on
each person. Maybe a criticla on one person
meaning 38+59 97 damage! So yeah OP is definately
not the word. We need a new world VOP meaning
very overpowered.
VOP equals very overpowered.


Not including deadly aim......

This new gun is freaking awesome



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 16:58:47)

@dragonman111
I believe his issue is that BMs aren't as brainless as they used to be, or at least all but Str abusers. Once thinking is involved, class is dead since you must use a strategy that can also vary depending on the enemy. Focus 5 is probably one of the strongest BM builds just after Strength if you can use it wisely. And that's with Gamma Bot even since I seen people use it before Infernal. Not mentioning that was before Bot change so fact it's deflectable now but unblockable is even better. Only drawback is correct use of skills as well as decent distribution of stats and you can dominate many players and perhaps lose once in a while which is perfectly fine.

Besides, he thinks Support gives too much advantage to Merc's Multi due to Crits.. Can someone make him realise that Dex and Tech give blocking/deflections, Def/Res and boost to other skills as well (at least 1-2 in each class)? Whilst Support allows them to Crit, you have Dex and Tech that cushions the damage and even if they Crit on you, you'll still cover yourself from quite a good bit of it. But guess it'll take time for him to realise, if ever.

Remember people, best experience is gained from battle. Especially when you stay for all of it so you can see flaws in your build & fix them, not run and blame "UPed" class for giving you poor ratio because running results in a loss. Also using brain comes in handy, we're slowly moving towards strategy unless you're still abusing one stat and hope to win or the combo is OP and known (and will be fixed eventually). :)



The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 17:06:25)

Oh I see Trans thanks!

Oh and I finially put my character on for every one to see hope like him!



ScarletReaper -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 17:33:37)

Tell you what, I'll start believing bm is up'ed as soon as they stop beating me. [;)] Untill then, seeing as how they and strength bounties are the only classes that beat me on a regular basis, I'm going to assume they are NOT up'ed. Sound fair? [:)]



Mother1 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 17:41:41)

@ Kingpowerlord

Without strength abuse the gun is awesome. I use Deadly aim with a TM however when I use the gun even when I malf a person to sync it with the gun it doesn't have that kind of damage output since unlike the str abuser I only use 68 str with my build (which while is low compared to most doesn't overpower my attacks.) However with the way things are now the masses are jumping to strength builds just to compete since Strength right to the caster build are what most people are using just to compete. Most not even caring that they don't have defenses to protect themselves since they rely on str to overpower the person before they can cut through your weak defenses.

Heck I was battling this str BH the other day and I fought him 4 times. Each time with the exception of the last he beat me. But the fourth time I battled him I used by brain and relied on a move of chance (Overload for TM) and got a stun with it. Then I got rage and beat him. However instead of being a good sport the guy not only called me a lucky noob, but said all luck based things should be removed from the game.

It really surprises me how some people are not only sore losers, but get upset just luck takes a win from them when they use an OP build.



Stabilis -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 18:04:58)

Just to add to whoever is ranting about boosting not restoring energy to use skills like Cannon or Multi-

you can change the skill level so that the skill costs under 25 points so that boosting results in an instant ability to engage.



rayniedays56 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 18:36:03)

quote:

If you get smoked as a tech mage you can put on defense matrix but from reroute you get more energy back than a Blood mage using
reflex boost.



quote:

If you get smoked as a tech mage you can put on defense matrix but from reroute you get more energy back than a Blood mage using
reflex boost.




You don't say! Well, with Reflex Boost you get back 15% of all damage to EP, while with Reroute you get, now here is the pretty giggly part, 30% at MAX


O_O OMGZ!!!11!! TM IS SO OPZ CUZ THEY GET EP BACK!!!!111!!!!



-_-

Take a little guess what BL is for...



Wootz -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 21:10:31)

Well, Strenght Cyber Hunter is God damn strong!



rayniedays56 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 21:24:26)

Yes yes it is :3


However... *EBIL grin*


My Strength mercenary is also awesome :3


Right King Helios?



King Helios -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/7/2012 21:27:58)

^ Yeah.

Curse you Atom!



The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 10:24:20)

Support TM's are really OP! And every one will disigree because your one of them, but their ridiculos! So this guy malf's me and takes away 52 technology away... 52! And now he has an aux that does 22-27 +39 damage not to mention my defenses are garbage. He does 57 damage like what the heck! I then attack and do whatever then he whips out his sidearm which wouldn't be so strong, but because he has deadly aim it's 16-20+35+10 plus my defenses are still awful so he does 69 damage on a critical hit, I'm at 2 health. He goes for the infernal android special attack now keep in mind I have no defense he's gonna do 140% cause of it's special, and because he has high spport and it's been a few turns he raging. And then he crits so he does 65 damage r even higher I forget the last one.



Bunshichi -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 10:32:41)

How is it op'ed when you have poor defense in the first place.....



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 10:40:08)

Malf, Aux, Gun, Bot.. That's not 140% boost on the Bot, it takes much longer. IIRC, that's 100% damage from the Bot or was it 110%? And really? Use E-Shield or Technician, it really will save you there. And Support raises Crit chances; don't rant at luck because Support DOES increase rate of Crits. Crits and high Support go together, like it's kinda obvious. Also Aux and Gun have cooldowns so you cannot spam 'em as easily.



rayniedays56 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 10:56:12)

A support TM is extremely strong, yes, but they ALSO have some weak defenses. I say that a support TM with 22-27 aux damage will have defense in the 23-28 or lower. Use that as an advantage and strike relentlessly. I see you are a BM. Use E Shield. It is what it is there for.


Heck, I'm a mercenary with NO shields that I can use, PLUS I use the Pyro Fly, so I cannot debuff but yet I do not find support TM's that intimidating. Why?

Again, they WILL have LOW defenses.



The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 10:56:33)

I guess your right, but I didn't have low defenses though i had 70 tech and 65 dexterity.



rayniedays56 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 11:00:52)

You had:

20-24+x+x defense
and
24-29+x+x resistance



With a minus of 52 tech, that is:

7-9+x+x resistance



You really wonder why they were decimating you?


With a 22-27+39 Energy aux, they already minus 50+ damage without a crit...



The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 11:16:21)

Okay and which is better right now merc or tlm?



rayniedays56 -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 11:21:39)

It is dependent upon the build used. Right now I use a strength/high HP merc, and I am winning battle left and right. But TLMs can use the Infernal Android the best. It is only based on opinions.



The Astral Fury -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 12:09:50)

Ok I'm trying a support cyber hunter and it's doing really we'll!



ambien -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:12:50)

wow this is really sad u ppl r raging caster mages again we already been nerft wow just dnt get bms and bhs u ppl need the nerf just because casters mage beat u up really easy u got to cry about wow. why should casting spells be based on str, we r not bms we use tech for r casting sorry if dnt like it. that is r set diffence from bms. every time casters can stand up to any class in this game some one crys and said caster r to strong. rember when u ppl cryed and they did nerf us and what did we do we did a diffence casting skills and now again bms and bhs r crying.

always the syfy



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:15:48)

@ambien Casters got nerfed? The only thing resembling a nerf was switching Plasma Rain to Dex and SC to tech. Bolt used to have a Str req on it and had 4 more energy cost. SC got a buff a long time back to put it more on par with the other Ultimates as well.



ambien -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:32:30)

what l am saying is caster got because if u remb both skill were using tech so ed said well make 1 dex skill instead.
so it was a tough nerf when 1 skill changes to a diff. stat to use that is hard to rebuild if u can remb .

always the syfy



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Balance Discussion XII (10/8/2012 16:37:30)

Oh? Tell me how that killed Casters completely. SC + PB > PB + Multi. Cooldowns may get in the way but I find SC more h4x when I used Tech abuse build. Hard to rebuild? Just change 2 skills around. >_>



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