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6/6/2026 1:37:32

Animenut1
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Phrased as a question, but more of a discussion thread. My goal with this is to have a place for people to post their concept ideas and/or preferences for the under-represented spellcaster lean. Mechanics suggestions (More like theory-crafting. There IS a suggestions thread, after all.), elemental preferences, visual designs or themes, set concepts, etc.

My thoughts? Water, Light, and Earth (kinda, I'll come back to this) are extremely underrepresented in the Spellcaster armors side of things. That's not to say there aren't SC armors of those elements, but they aren't....good. The fact that Fungibushi plays the roll of Wind, Ice, AND Light is good for defensive purposes, but that's about it. The usable Water SC armors are middling at best, and the only real Light SC armor (that's not currently rare) is flat out terrible, and the rare one is mechanically demanding. At least Ice can be covered with premium or URGGB gear, but Water and Light are really hurting for good SC coverage.

So, why did I say Earth is underrepresented despite Eternal Champion's Spirit being available? Well, ECS's skill is expensive. Strong, but costly. In my experience, overcharged spells aren't typically worth it except for niche cases. And its SP regen is useful since Mages struggle with SP recovery without using miscs. But I wouldn't really call it a dedicated SC armor. More like a balanced armor that's good for mages AND warriors. Which makes its specialized utility kinda split. Hooooowever, NECROMANCER has a secondary resistance to Earth, making Earth entirely covered. Necro isn't a dedicated EARTH armor, but.....It's Necro. It's Necro. The thing is categorically broken. The fact that it covers Darkness, Earth, and Ice as its main and secondaries means those elements will NEVER need any other support. There's an argument to be made that Necromancer is literally the ONLY armor any mage would ever need. Barring that, though, Water and Light need some dedicated support. Something with a built-in spell.

P.S. I know the Chaos Slayer Cleric armors are a thing that can cover any element, but they use SP to use their spell skill, which...not great for mages.

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6/6/2026 2:13:54

Aura Knight
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Praetorian Warlock introduced an ideal mage armor. I would like to see that be the base design where variants differ a bit. Fire got celerity but there can be other effects too in other elements. The MP heal and damage buffs should remain on all.

I do like the ggb qualia armors too and they might be among the best for the SC category so more clones could be fun. Archmage Apprentice introduced cost reduction by sp cost. I think that armor has a great shield too.

There's plenty of options to get inspiration from.

AQW

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6/6/2026 5:00:36

CH4OT1C!
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The single most important thing is more accessible SC lean armours.

Not to suggest that you're wrong regarding the dearth of Water and Earth SC armours @Animenut1 (of course, we don't have many), but at least we do have accessible (i.e., always available, Gold cost) ones for those elements. Meanwhile, after five years since updated SC lean was released, we still don't have dedicated and accessible SC lean armours for Light, Ice, and Energy. As has already been said, Fungibushi currently covers for Wind, Ice, and Light. However, the latter two are secondary resistances: at Level 150, you take approximately 21% more damage than if you were to use an armour with Ice or Light as the primary resistance. And, unless you manage to pick up Angelic Robes during Frostval (which also costs a few tokens for the appropriate painting to boot), the next cheapest alternative for Ice/Light is an UR GGB ( Light-Qualia Timeless Guardian / Ice Necro Cavalry / Legion Dreadnought / Mirror Vordred / Chaos Slayer Cleric). You don't even have that option for Ice: without Fungibushi, it's straight to the UR GGBs. Energy is somehow even worse; there is no accessible Energy SC Lean armour at all, not even for secondary resistances. Unless you pick up Thunder Bride during Snugglefest, you are again only left with the UR GGB Infinite Darkcaster or the aforementioned Chaos Cleric. Of course, it's understandable that it would take time for accessible gaps to be filled — I don't think anyone was expecting each element to be filled with accessible SC lean armours immediately (or even within 12-24 months). Still, to be missing accessible primary element SC lean armours in 3/8 standard elements after half a decade is... well, it's simply completely unacceptable. Compounding the problem even further: if we didn't have Fungibushi, whose mechanics were devised by a player (@RobynJoanne) rather than the staff, we wouldn't (i) have an accessible Wind option either, and (ii) even secondary element options for Ice and Light. It's currently less of a 'pay-to-win' scenario with SC lean, and more of a 'pay-to-play' one.

With regards to mechanics, I've been posting SC lean armour concepts on my suggestion thread fairly consistently for quite some time now. Since the start of 2025 alone, I've suggested ideas incorporating Drown and Sleep, Defence Boost and Caltrops, MP recovery, Bleed and Poison, Celerity and Defence Boost, Burn and Poison, and The Cold, covering Ice, Darkness, Energy, Wind, and Water as primary resistances. I think all of these statuses, elements, and mechanics would be great additions to the SC lean repertoire. It's not just me either: there are plenty of ideas out there to be used.

One other idea — retrofitting armours. It's coming up towards the two-year anniversary of the Spellcaster lean retrofitting thread, and I have yet to see it lead to much progress. Perhaps it's time to revitalise the notion.

To sum all that up, I suppose in direct response to the question posed by the thread: Yes. Beggars can't be choosers: I'd just like some SC lean armours that everyone can access for Gold, never mind the mechanics.

EDIT: I recognise that the skill costing SP on the Chaos Slayer Clerics is less ideal for Mages, but it's also one of the few armours that can be utilised by SPellcasting non-mages. We need to think about those builds too.

< Message edited by CH4OT1C! -- 6/6/2026 6:34:38 >

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6/6/2026 10:51:08

Lorekeeper
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In regards to retrofitting, I was initially waiting until our coders were less busy before beginning implementation of those suggestions, because it still needs to be reviewed by them. That has unfortunately gotten trickier to find a good time for, but I can look into it again after the gifting event.

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6/6/2026 11:56:36

Animenut1
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You don't even have that option for Ice: without Fungibushi, it's straight to the UR GGBs.

The reason I didn't talk much about Ice SC armors is because Nightmare Queen's Regalia exists and it's incredibly powerful. It's premium, which means it doesn't fall into your "more accessible" point, but it at least DOES exist. Existing at all is literally the FIRST barrier to accessibility lol At least Ice HAS a good SC armor, even if it's costly. Water and Light don't even have that.

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I'd just like some SC lean armours that everyone can access for Gold, never mind the mechanics.

Continuing from above, I'm not disagreeing. I fully agree that the top priority is having widely-accessible SC armors for underrepresented elements. I'm just concerned that making those gap-fillers widely available will neuter their usefulness. Without being a premium or URGGB item, the armors' general power and utility might suffer. Praetorian Warlock is a massive exception to that rule, but the usual standard is that widely-accessible items aren't quite as good as URs and premium items. My other concern is that focusing on getting accessible SC armors will only further prolong the already absurdly long wait to get GOOD armors of those elements. Don't get me wrong. If the team can put out an accessible Water SC armor and then maybe a few months after put out a much better premium/URGGB Water SC armor, that's great. All bases covered. However, I fear that if it took us THIS long to get an accessible Water SC armor, it could take ANOTHER several years to get a genuinely GOOD premium armor. If that's the case, I'd rather have the good one first. Of course, if the accessible one is already really good (Again, looking at Praetorian) then this solves the whole issue in one swoop, but that's not something I'd bet money on happening since that's not normally how it works. Of course paid items are going to be stronger than gold items, on average.

As for mechanics ideas, off the top of my head, I like the idea of a built-in armor spell that functions roughly as the following...

-Overcharged MP cost
-Base damage is absurdly high. Game-balance-shatteringly-high.
-Downside is that it hits a random element every time it's used. Every hit is the same element, but you never know which one it will be. Will it hit the enemy's weakness and OHKO them? Will it hit a neutral resist and only deal 80% of their health only to hit their ABSORB element next turn and heal them?
-Small chance to hit for Harm damage (5%?) and very small chance to hit for Void damage (1%?)

On average, I'd like it to deal more damage than the average spell hitting a weakness. Like, calculating the average damage dealt if it hits all enemy resistances at once, the average damage should be a bit higher than assuming a focused spell directed at a weakness reliably. Otherwise, there's no real point to ever using such an unreliable spell. The inherent randomness pays for the overall buff to its average damage, and being overcharged pays for its ~6% chance to ignore enemy resistances entirely.

And then a second support toggle for the armor that pays SP to narrow the pool of elements the spell can hit with to only the enemy's 4 weakest elements (if the monster has multiple/many identical resistances, it chooses randomly since it won't matter), but also gives up the ability to deal Harm/Void damage. SP cost and removed Harm/Void functionality pay for significantly better random odds and resulting damage.

The element of this armor being.....LIGHT! We already have Prismatic Burns, so why not a Prismatic mage? It's still not really a dedicated LIGHT-CASTER, but it's an interesting concept that, I think, parallels the Dark-aligned Necro quite well. Necro is a reliable, powerful armor with lots of utility that you can call on at any time. This armor idea is Light-aligned and gives up all utility to focus on the whims of chance to loose a hydrogen bomb of damage. It takes the idea of the Guardian Sword's element-swapping and actually makes it a desirable, potentially-useful mechanic.

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