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4/27/2013 9:39:24   
Sir Caden
Member

Make it always attack with 3

Moved to Balance. - SMGS

< Message edited by SMGS -- 4/27/2013 12:35:10 >
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4/27/2013 10:45:50   
Mother1
Member

Not supported.
Epic  Post #: 2
4/27/2013 10:50:53   
EpicIsEpic
Member

Yeah azreals gear is the most broken thing in the game. My suggestion would be that you can HEAL or Strike (choice) Since i have seen people abuse it with IA or surgical strike (every possible high dmg combination) Also make it so it doesn't stack with Deadly aim and BL.
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4/27/2013 10:50:54   
odsey
Member

Not supported because the owner of the promo is ripped off by doing this. And for me, right know I think the promo is fine and not op.

< Message edited by odsey -- 4/27/2013 10:54:42 >
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4/27/2013 11:58:28   
drekon
Retired ED Guest Artist


 -.- Yeti Claw, Intimidate, High Def/Res + Armor, Shields, Deflection. Those are among the many ways that you can reduce/nullify the damage of Azrael's Will. Which, by the way, only does 85% of normal damage. Most players payed for the weapons when it had 100% damage. Although the nerf at the time was warranted, it devalued the weapons. Let's not devalue them any more. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if you payed for an item and then someone comes along saying it should only do 3 damage.
Epic  Post #: 5
4/27/2013 12:04:09   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 Not supported


Why 3? That's unfair
Epic  Post #: 6
4/27/2013 13:36:14   
Kd
Member

not supported. It's okay the way it is after the indirect nerf to blocks.
Epic  Post #: 7
4/27/2013 18:38:20   
Trae
Member

No thanks
Epic  Post #: 8
4/28/2013 8:26:40   
Soul of Shadow
Member

Dude, I did not pay £33 for one of my cores to be ruined.
Epic  Post #: 9
4/28/2013 11:05:04   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 It already almost always does 3-5 unless the user has high strength, a debuff, or is facing an opponent with no defenses. There'd be pretty much no point if it always hit 3, as it'd be even more useless. Using it as a stall turn so I can rage would easily be foreseeable, and people would just do something about it. Also, a yeti is a strong counter against this. There's a difference between lowering damage to be tactical, and to make something useless. 85% is definitely something that makes sense because that 5-ish less damage can determine the winner of a fight, but always making it 3 is just ridiculous and sounds like a rant because you can't foresee when the core is being used, and thus you lose to people who have it.
Epic  Post #: 10
4/28/2013 11:19:30   
spinutto
Member

While I see many people abusing this skill, I can say its fine as it is.
As above, it already deals 5-8 dmg or less depending on your dmg and opponent defs so, it all comes down to
your bad experiences tampering with your judgement.

I say is fine as it is.
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4/29/2013 8:30:22   
kosmo
Member
 

 Ok leave arzel gears Op as they r , but at the same way leave IA Op as it is.
Or maybe just fix balance trowing theese broken weps out of the window.
making arzel gear a 3 dmg hit core will NOT make it Up, u can still take advange from a rage, a cool down, u can stop them from healing/gain dmg etc..
a core should be situational like all cores in game are, not a game braking moove, strategy should not be resticted and focused on cores like arzel will or IA special.
Epic  Post #: 12
4/29/2013 8:59:03   
odsey
Member

I know that some of you think its op, but it isn't OP. I have a few battles as a non Azrael user and I fight people who use the Gun and the Aux. For the first time, I thought it is OP, until I start to learn how to counter it. If you don't have yeti and someone wants to use the will effect just heal if you almost die. Its damage is 85% while the person who got the will effect deal 100% damage even though the attack could be blocked. Making it to 3 damage won't solve anything. So I suggest to keep it as it is.
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4/29/2013 10:08:45   
edwardvulture
Member

make them hit 33 haha yes.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 14
5/3/2013 7:30:41   
Hurricane
Member

@ Mother1

Do you support anything? Every post I see from you is against changing anything.. Personally I think Azrael's Will really needs to be fixed because it's given rise to some unbeatable builds lately.. Just because you can take advantage of that doesn't mean everyone can. It's not fair to the other players at all when someone with azrael's will can just kill you in 3 turns.

Edit: @odsey

So basically, just because you're willing to pay real money you can buy stuff that allows you to make unbeatable builds? I get the developers would make promo weapons and stuff OP cause they want the money, but unbeatable? That's too much.

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 5/4/2013 19:27:01 >
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5/3/2013 9:07:41   
Mother1
Member

@ hurrincane

I look at the consequences of actions first and even though this nerf would make it real easy for me to beat many people using this item, it wouldn't be a fair nerf. But to answer your question yes I do support things it is just that I don't support idea more then I support due to looking at the consequences of things.

Besides it isn't just me not support this idea but quite a few people in this thread.
Epic  Post #: 16
5/3/2013 9:10:57   
odsey
Member

@hurricane It is actualy beatble. From 5 of my battles, some are user of zrael promo and tm, bh and Tlm. I beat them all but not the 3rth one. And besides it will be available in the next year for free. Think about it.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 17
5/3/2013 9:26:44   
theholyfighter
Member

Not Supported.

You're trying to nerf it when I planned to buy it next year...
AQW Epic  Post #: 18
5/3/2013 9:32:02   
8x
Member

I see quite a lot of people complaining about Azreal's Will, but did anyone think about countering it with Baby Yeti? Try to come up with a good build that will not have trouble with Azreal's Will instead of trying to get it nerfed. Sometimes Azreal's Will can be really frustrating, but seriously people? Come on...

Note: I only read the first post.
Epic  Post #: 19
5/3/2013 9:36:31   
odsey
Member

@8X I did, I even said it many times though it is not in this thread. However some people said that it is not counter as you have to buy it first.
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5/3/2013 11:06:58   
Hurricane
Member

@mother1

Are you some kind of psychic to see the effect every change will have on the game? Unless you're one of the staff you have no qualifications to say that this will adversely effect other things in the game. The nerf would fix you and other will users from abusing it's capabilities to make unbeatable builds.

@odsey

I meant that people use it unfairly to MAKE unbeatable BUILDS. This video is a perfect example of one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrQLNuz_blc
So what if it'll be made free next year? That's still one year's worth of time for them to use builds like these.


< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 5/4/2013 19:28:49 >
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5/3/2013 11:12:38   
Ranloth
Banned
quote:

Are you some kind of psychic to see the effect every change will have on the game? Unless you're one of the staff you have no qualifications to say that this will adversely effect other things in the game.

Being one of the Staff doesn't give you any special power to see how it'll affect the game. It's usually called 'common sense' and personal experience. Staff doesn't know how it may change things either because that kind of stuff cannot be predicted. Example: who would've though - at the time - the buff to Plasma Bolt would overpower TMs at higher level in late Delta and now, in Omega?
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5/3/2013 11:17:39   
odsey
Member

@Hurricane that's one of the build that I fought. Actually yes, it is OP but they have a weakness: Either low res or def. If one block/deflect happen they lose. I fought many of them and I won some of them.
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5/4/2013 9:43:44   
Hurricane
Member

@Trans
quote:

Being one of the Staff doesn't give you any special power to see how it'll affect the game. It's usually called 'common sense' and personal experience. Staff doesn't know how it may change things either because that kind of stuff cannot be predicted. Example: who would've though - at the time - the buff to Plasma Bolt would overpower TMs at higher level in late Delta and now, in Omega?


So you're saying the staff are ignorant to what changes will affect the game they've created? That players like you and Mother1 are more qualified because you've played this game for awhile?

So far you've only cited one or two examples. What about the changes that were actually effective? You can't ask everyone to ignore what they think are issues with the game because you're afraid something bad MIGHT happen.

@odsey
quote:

that's one of the build that I fought. Actually yes, it is OP but they have a weakness: Either low res or def. If one block/deflect happen they lose. I fought many of them and I won some of them.


Please post a video of that then.

So basically, you're answer to unbeatable builds is to wait and hope for a block? You want us to hope we get lucky? That's not a solution.

Sig once per page. ~Mecha

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 5/4/2013 11:09:54 >
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5/4/2013 11:15:57   
Dual Thrusters
Member

@odesy

You also have to but Azreal's First :P

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