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3/25/2013 12:15:07   
Coolkid1999
Banned


 Atom Smasher Costs 4 Energy Less Than EMP Grenade.
Atom Smasher Requires A Club While EMP Grenade Doesnt.
Atom Smasher Can Be Blocked.
EMP Grenade Cannot Be Blocked.
Both Can Be Affected By Malf And Intimidate.
Asslimiation Can Be Blocked.
Asslimation Only Does 85% Damage.
Asslimation Takes Alot Of Energy While Giving 100% Of It Back.
Asslimation Can Be Affected By Intimidate.
Post #: 1
3/25/2013 12:17:58   
Mother1
Member

Ok we all know this however what is the point you are trying to bring up about balance? All I see is how each of these skills work and how they can be countered. So what is the issue here that you want changed?
Epic  Post #: 2
3/25/2013 12:18:05   
Coolkid1999
Banned


 What I Think Is EMP Grenade Energy Cost Should Start At 10 And For Every Level It Goes Up It Costs 2 Energy While Atom Smasher Should Cost 1 Energy For Every Level It Goes Up
Post #: 3
3/25/2013 12:25:15   
Lycan.
Member

EMP is fine the way it is anyway if it was to change then it would get nerfed to the ground the first week then the next week buffed a little so no point trying to waste 2 weeks of updates.
Epic  Post #: 4
3/25/2013 12:26:24   
Ranloth
Banned


 Assimilation has to provide on-demand Energy, and it doesn't drain a lot. With moderate Strength, it's 20 EP drained at Lvl 7-10 + damage + return. But Lvl 1 Atom can do that easily with good Strength (or give it Lvl 3 at most) and even Level 1 EMP. They don't return Energy but that's Assimilation's purpose - to provide on-demand Energy. So saying Assimilation drains a lot of Energy whilst it's equal to that of Atom/EMP at Lvl 1 even, is wrong.

EMP and Atom are roughly equal in power, when you compare them at similar Strength and Tech. Atom is cheaper since it can be blocked and requires a Maul, whilst EMP doesn't and cannot be blocked.
AQ Epic  Post #: 5
3/25/2013 12:29:57   
Coolkid1999
Banned


 (4 energy difference! just because it needs a club and can be blocked) I mean it should be like 10 energy difference since it needs a club and can be blocked
Post #: 6
3/25/2013 12:38:54   
Ranloth
Banned


 The difference doesn't mean that this is just about the power. Some skills can be weaker depending on the skill tree; Bunker is stronger than Plasma Cannon - reason being is BloodLust which stacks with the Cannon & likewise with Plasma Bolt + Fireball.

10 EP difference? So Atom starts at 1 EP + 1 per skill point and EMP at 11 EP + 1 per skill point? No.
AQ Epic  Post #: 7
3/25/2013 12:41:52   
Coolkid1999
Banned


 Ok Insted Of 4 Energy Difference 6 Energy Difference One Starts At 12 Other At 6
Post #: 8
3/25/2013 12:45:54   
Ranloth
Banned


 Reason for that is? EMP and Atom can be compared but you also have to look at the respectable skill tree so Mercs + TLMs & BHs + CHs - why does it need nerf/buff (lower EP cost is a buff & higher EP cost is a nerf, just so you know)? Look at the power in the skill tree and what they have.

TLMs have Reroute so EP isn't a problem thus Atom is fine with its Energy cost. Whilst BHs and Mercs don't have EP regen so buffing EP cost could hurt both, but lowering it on Atom will aid Mercs, but TLMs will have it even easier. For CHs, they can get some EP back via SC so higher EP cost on EMP is fine but would that be the case for BHs? BHs focus on damage, CHs allow you to tank more & they have respectable skills (passive Armor & BloodLust) which aid in different situation.
It's not as simple as buff this and nerf that. There has to be more of a reason. 4 EP difference doesn't mean that it's the compensation for requiring a Maul and making it blockable.
AQ Epic  Post #: 9
3/25/2013 12:50:02   
Coolkid1999
Banned


 Yes i agree with you but i also think if thats the case then atom smasher should be unblockable
Post #: 10
3/25/2013 12:50:52   
Ranloth
Banned


 That'd be because? Likewise, Assimilation should also be blockable but you'd have to drastically nerf its EP drain, return and possibly damage.
AQ Epic  Post #: 11
3/25/2013 12:58:24   
Coolkid1999
Banned


 I still say we should make it 6 energy difference insted of 4
Post #: 12
3/25/2013 13:27:28   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 Rather than looking at it by unit EP, look at it by percentages. Atom smasher takes nearly as much as EMP when both people are focus builds, and costs 40% less. Now that actually seems like a lot more, particularly since a TLM can get 6 energy back with about 20 damage taken, and atom smasher is repeatedly usable since its energy cost is amazingly low.
Epic  Post #: 13
3/25/2013 13:31:18   
Coolkid1999
Banned


 MUST I KEEP SAYING THIS? ATOM SMASHER NEEDS A CLUB/MUAL AND IT CAN BE BLOCKED JUST FOR WHAT? SAVING 4 ENERGY?
Post #: 14
3/25/2013 13:38:30   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 ...so 5 stat points and 1 strike damage is that much of an impact on a hunter or merc? No, just no. It's not. If transferred into dex, that's an extra 2% block chance and about 1 defense at tank defense levels. I also stated to look at it at a %-based value of 40%. If you want to decide whether or not something is OP, the key is to compare it to like skills. If all skills are "OP," then none of them are since they all are equal in effect. You saying that EMP is OP compared to atom smasher is like saying this:

Slightly abnormal massacre: 33 EP cost, unblockable, and for the heck of it, can be used with a sword
Example massacre that I made for this persuasion: 20 (33 * .6) EP cost, blockable, about 2 damage weaker-ish, required wrist blades.

Are you still gonna say the normal massacre is OP compared to the example massacre I just made up? Now imagine EMP as the normal massacre and the example massacre as atom smasher. Does it still seem OP? Or does the so-called weaker atom smasher seem equal if not better?
Epic  Post #: 15
3/26/2013 0:00:20   
Bloodpact
Member

Situational they both are OP, and situational Atom is UP.(EMP grenade is always good lol)

Atom used by your uber tank TactMercs can use it OPed by leaving it level 1 and getting decent drain with the most
minimal Str. (average 25)While they have high Dex with there tank build. A block of this wouldn't necessarily hurt you much, because your a
mofo tank boss and that block is just prolonging your fight.

Energy cost to low for tact mercs.

But then for the non-uber tank TactMercs builds could need that on-demand energy is necessary and one block get's
you massacred. ( Literately I'm talking about the spell )or any other similar ultimate. Basically you get blocked you lose.

To use you need a club.( This is a very minimal dmg difference, but you get excluded from the best weapon cores if you want good energy drain)
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EMP - you never worry about that block and just like atom you don't have to invest much to get good energy drain out of this spell.

Energy cost for it's benefits is very decent.

No weapon requirement so every build benefits from it.
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Assimilation- this needs alternations.

It's just way to strong right now.
and too much luck alternating.( 3 turn cool down... what if its blocked??)
It needs a cool down of 2 turns and it needs to give back like 50% like before( they have reroute! )
With the 2 turn cool down it needs to be like 10 energy assimilation max level.
100% dmg was fine before. It's dmg was an irrelevant factor.

If they could really change it, assimilation could be something like,
Damage 50%
The other 50%(-25% to -0% at max level ) steal energy.
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Epic  Post #: 16
3/26/2013 5:14:16   
redclaw
Member

my only problem with atom smasher is that it does not gain rage whn it is blocked >.<
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
3/26/2013 12:27:56   
santonik
Member

Separate boynty and cybers emp, Its make looking easy balance to future

Separate merc and tacmerc atomsmaher, Its make looking easy balance to future

EMP 1 lvl cost so less and destoy much enemy energy, That 1 lvl is too effective normally people using 1-4 and and tech buffing more. Always hit 100% damage.( no deflection or Block changes ?) Can Be Affected By Malf. (Drop that low skill damage or take away that tech buff) my opinion

Atomsmasher that destroy only energy. Can block.Can Be Affected By Intimidate. Can be buff blood/field commander.

Asslimiation Can Be Blocked. Only Does 85% Damage.Takes Alot Of Energy While Giving 100% Of It Back.Can Be Affected By Intimidate.Gain rage. No cost energy at all when you using this skill.
Asslimiation is best energy stealing move because that take energy and give that to techmage.Even you make 3 damage. my opinion
Epic  Post #: 18
3/26/2013 20:58:12   
Thylek Shran
Member

EMP is OPed because it always works and drains alot energy. Should cost more energy points.
At least 14 EPs at level 1.

Atom Smasher can be blocked especially by BHs and does work the best with str/dex and tank
builds. The problem is that it only does cost 6 energy points at lvl 1 which makes it OPed too.
So its energy conversion should be less % especially in the lower skill levels and should
receive a new scaling. It also should cost at least 8 energy points at level 1.

Assimilation is also OPed because it does not cost any energy points, can be
looped, and gives mages very much energy when combined with high Reroute which
is a very common combination. It also does give rage points. The EPs that the user
gains should be set back to 50%.

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DF Epic  Post #: 19
3/26/2013 21:09:53   
AQWorldsFarmer
Member



Dont forget the fact that EMP grenade is the only usable energy draining skill that is IMBLOCKABLE and doesn't require class specific primary weapon

This is coming from a bounty hunter, EMP needs a nerf.

Post #: 20
3/27/2013 5:10:29   
Coolkid1999
Banned


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Post #: 21
3/27/2013 6:34:43   
Captin Hook
Banned


 Supported Emp Grenade Needs Nerf
Post #: 22
3/27/2013 9:17:24   
ReinVI
Member

meh learn to adapt.. if people are running rampant with energy drains then use a build that doesn't use/ rely on energy is it that hard to figure out?
Epic  Post #: 23
3/27/2013 9:37:04   
Captin Hook
Banned


 My opinion is the people who disagree with this brilliant thread are an op bounty hunter Arghh!
Post #: 24
3/27/2013 19:51:06   
Dual Thrusters
Member

^ wrong, I'm a Cyber
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 25
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