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3/14/2014 18:25:36   
edwardvulture
Member

This is sort of like removal of enhancements, but you got an achievement, the advantage while it lasted, and a 25 % refund. (Of course, discounting the fact that enhancements oftentimes costed real money...)
Thread is self-explanatory. With my thousands of wins more than most "legendary" players, I am still level 36 with no legendary ranks. Even though I make up for it by my vast expanse of experience in battle. I feel like the legendary system as it is right now, is no better than enhancements. People who play more should have some sort of perks, but make it cosmetic. For example, a legendary exclusive core that does 111% damage at a 5,000 credit discount(making it 5,000 credits), exclusive (like an in-game club), BUT PLEASE NOT MORE BATTLE ADVANTAGES beyond core vs. no core, builds and levels.
I would also suggest that the legendary ranks be based off wins and not experience, but people who are legendary "newbies"<---- under 5k wins IMO would get mad.

What is your take on this issue?

Title edited and moved to ED Balance. Read your inbox for more information. ~Therril Oreb

< Message edited by Therril Oreb -- 3/15/2014 21:14:34 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 1
3/14/2014 18:29:29   
Ranloth
Banned


 This is my take on it: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=21615440

Explained there in terms of why I dislike the way it works in right now.
AQ Epic  Post #: 2
3/14/2014 18:34:33   
Mother1
Member

Actually I feel they need to remove the legendary ranks period. It is screwing up battles in 1 vs 1 and 2 vs 2 and causing more players to quit. Especially in 1 vs 1 when they reach the legendary range.

TO compensate for this make 2 new LB's and add a new cheevo.

The cheevo will work like 1 vs 1 2 vs 2 and juggernaut cheevo's. Whoever get's the most EXP in one day get's the daily EXP cheevo award, and an all time LB for players with the most EXP with the top 20 getting the EXP cheevo automatic.

Epic  Post #: 3
3/14/2014 19:27:21   
ambien
Member

l am a veteran player 6th on all time ( legendary ranks are unfair yes a veteran is saying this.) look at the veteran players which have been on alltime board since beta, gamma, we got nothing as far as cheevo saying we are veteran players. now they gave us legendary ranks after all these years wow for real ( sad. )

young legendary players ( have not payed their dos ) as us veteran players have. being a veteran player l do not like the way the ranking system is,you should have to put 1 pts in each rank slot which there are 6 of them before you can increase any other rank slot, which means no slot can have more 2 at one time in them, they should all have one rank slot filled in each one then you can increase again by same method each time.


we have ask for years that veteran players should have a cheevo for them, but nothing has happen, it has been asked to for all time players which are legends for a cheevo nothing their either
sad we support the game but the veterans get nothing.

my thoughts on this subject (:

always the syfy
Post #: 4
3/14/2014 20:46:48   
lionblades
Member

Yes legendary ranks were a big mistake. And the Devs released it out of the blue. It is like a poor version of enhancements where only the hardcore players can get.

It is hilarious that the Devs think lv38 andrank100 lv40s can be on the same level range. This is like a lv60 fighting a lv38. Casual players just got screwed.

The Dev's should have removed this feature early on when there were few rank 40s. Now there are players at rank 20-30 and the power gap is growing big.

"It is better to nip the problem at its roots than to wait and come back to find that the problem has multiplied 100 fold."
AQW  Post #: 5
3/14/2014 20:59:35   
kaiseryeux21
Member

Playing this game for nearly 4 years now, had 25,000 1vs1 wins, 4000 2vs2 wins, reached legendary rank level 1 2 days ago. After battling about 10 1vs1, i lost 9. Yes, after playing 4 years i feel like a noob. Am I?? certainly not. But why I lost? Because of the huge imbalance of this game, and fighting rank 20 players with 560 str 1700 hp. Am i jealous or insecure with those higher ranks? No, they earned it, they worked for it. But having huge stats advantage brings alot of problem to other players. I just want to mention that my only win on those 10 battles is against a MOD and a very popular player named GOONY. I just hope he experiences the severely flawed system we have right now and somehow poke the developers of this game that "HEY, we have a serious problem in terms of balance right now, care to fix it asap??
DF Epic  Post #: 6
3/14/2014 21:02:13   
Ranloth
Banned


 ^ Goony hasn't been a Mod for a while now, nor a Tester.
AQ Epic  Post #: 7
3/14/2014 21:09:28   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 well one way this could be fixed is to rebalance the entire system so that those more skilled get much higher advantages. Meaning that super-easy-to-use builds have to get nerfed pretty hard or more complex and skill-requiring builds need to get buffed.
Epic  Post #: 8
3/14/2014 21:11:31   
kaiseryeux21
Member

@trans, oh sorry never knew that. but still, he is one of the more popular players in this game. Not only popular but one of the most skilled.
DF Epic  Post #: 9
3/14/2014 23:44:36   
Elf Priest JZaanu
Constructive!


 I truly understand the main points about progression of the entire length of the game in comparison to the sprint to 40 from 36.

Would you prefer more details, from the developers, on the "there after" Legendary, and the exact future on what will be presented in the legendary interface?
AQW Epic  Post #: 10
3/15/2014 1:55:11   
Remorse
Member

^ The advantage at lvl 40 is the problem,


It has nothing to do with the number of people who are 40 nor how long it takes, not even the lack of information because what we know is enough to see that it is broken.

One person with an unfair advanatge passed the mere level difference is too much.


Level gaps already has a huge advantage in games and adding another one is breaking the game.



They need to remove the whole idea of this bonus and instead provide cosmetic rewards and/or a ranking system which gives you a medal based on how often you win versus other level 40s for example.

A ranking system provides endless motivation to play the game just as what they are trying to do with this current legendary system except a ranking system means you don't get an advanatge as thus doesn't ruin the game for a high majority of the people trying to have a fair fight.

< Message edited by Remorse -- 3/15/2014 1:58:04 >
Epic  Post #: 11
3/15/2014 6:36:38   
Noobatron x3000
Member

Legendary ranks were a bad idea for everyone and mostly for the game . What they have done is recreated the gap but in a different way.

The gap used to be who bought varium and whoever didn't would run into a wall of unwinnable fights. Most people wouldn't buy the varium till end game.

players would leave when hitting the wall , omega was created to remove the wall and make the game successful.

What surprises me is now they've created a wall which is bad enough in its selve but also unavoidable since all you need to turn people into free wins is time.

This will have a devastating hurtful affect on the game if it is not removed quickly.

Thought on this some more.

This games major problem is they haven't learnt through the phases.

You can put some1 in a fight that the odds are slightly stacked against them that's fine.

However putting someone in a fight where its damn near if not impossible to win is unacceptable, This is the only game I have ever come across that seems to think its ok.

There's a reason its the only game i'll let readers figure that one out.

< Message edited by Noobatron x3000 -- 3/15/2014 12:20:10 >
Post #: 12
3/16/2014 4:13:55   
edwardvulture
Member

It wouldn't be too bad if they did to legend ranks what they did to enhancements. A one-off with an achievement stating the rank that they achieved with a "legendary" achievement worth 150 x rank.
But then again I'm not even close to legendary and I was never the one to exceed 8 enhancements on any of my characters.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 13
3/16/2014 9:18:38   
comicalbike
Member

no goony is not a mod or a tester but if he was game would be a lot better than now
Epic  Post #: 14
3/16/2014 12:49:25   
Xendran
Member

Another problem is that legendary ranks were pay2win until a threshold of time was reached based on the 18/6 system.
The 18/6 system is a system where dedicated hardcore grinders are usually grinding for about 18 hours a day and sleeping for six.
Until it got to the point where a person getting the average number of wins per hour for a high win speed build (highest wins per hour, not battles per hour) could have potentially reached max rank, everybody EXP boosting had a power advantage.

I believe that threshold has been reached, assuming a 4 turn NPC farming build is used durng power hours, and every 18/6 cycle runs over both power hours, so TECHNICALLY legendary ranks arent p2w anymore and are just paying for speed. Still, ranks give such a ridiculous power boost. The fact that a rank 1 can fight a rank 30 is crazy.

I got +10 weapon damage at level 37 and +10 at level 40. So if we're getting +10 damage around every 3 levels, this puts the +30 primary damage at an effective level of 44 (+12 stat points for 20 damage, +10 primary damage at level 43). Another advantage though, is that its all +damage so it can't be reduced by debuffs even if your strength is lowered to zero.

This means if you have a battle in which the only damage you do is based on your primary weapon, you can effectively have a level 44 vs level 38 battle at just Rank 10. Let alone rank 20, 30, etc.



< Message edited by Xendran -- 3/16/2014 12:50:14 >
AQ DF Epic  Post #: 15
3/16/2014 13:20:28   
Noobatron x3000
Member

I've hit level 36 on my lower level alt and they're is no way around no excuse for it .... No come back no nothing.

It is un defendable regardless of the build I use if I run into 40s in 2v2 which I seem to be doing 2/3 fights usually up against 2 I'm a punching bag pure and simple . If I 1v1 I face the same build every fight if I juggernaut I die I've literally resorted to going afk for lack of a better option . I know its impossible to win unless I get a 40 I have to pray I do and even then we need luck if im facing 2 40s which I usually am. It's just ridiculous you've made the game that broken at 36+ range of the game nobody plays apart from the 40s....

To think it used to be even worse 35-40 instead of 5 level losing your way to the cap now u have 4 not to mention the fact when u hit 40 your going to run into 40s with a herculean advantage over you.
Post #: 16
3/16/2014 13:30:14   
s0u1ja b0y
Member

40s only fight 40s. There's your solution.
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