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8/4/2012 22:10:01   
Mecha Mario
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=ED= Balance Discussion Thread


All balance discussions will be restricted to this thread. This is to condense the many issues that you have all expressed into a single place that the balance people can work on.

Please keep all balance discussions in this thread, and don't forget to follow the forum's rules.

Some things that the balancers would like you to avoid discussing. Please do not post about the following things.
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No discussion/request for buffing or enhancing Founder Armor - Any additional perks that founders may recieve will be at the discretion of the staff.

No "luck" complaints - This thread is not a place to complain about an unlucky streak that caused you to lose a match. Please remember that while luck may seem to favor or disfavor you in the short run, over the long run it does average out.


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As a general rule, no buffs will be granted to rare items. This is regardless of their status as Limited, Seasonal, Promotional, etc. In order to achieve a more balanced system of play, buffs cannot be guaranteed or handed out on a regular basis. This policy has been decided by the game staff and is not likely to change. However, if you feel that your case is especially strong, that is, you have numbers and evidence to support your conclusions, you are welcome to contact the game staff using this forum's PM system to discuss it more thoroughly. Keep in mind that the game staff cannot promise that your case will be followed through upon, as the game's balance will take precedence over personal requests for the sake of all of the game's vast player base.

In regards to this discussion thread, you are still permitted to discuss buffs to rare items, but these discussions must be placed within this thread.


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Posting random stuff and saying how you hate the game, and that there is no balance is not allowed. This does not contribute to a helping balance discussion and is useless for people. Try and think of some numbers, examples, or routes to take when dealing with balance. You can agree with posters, or disagree and say what you should change. Once again, posting "this game is not balanced titan y no fix?? titan = money" does not contribute to anything, and will be dealt with.


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=ED= Balance Discussions I
=ED= Balance Discussions II
=ED= Balance Discussion III
=ED= Balance Discussion IV
=ED= Balance Discussion V
=ED= Balance Discussion VI
=ED= Balance Discussion VII
=ED= Balance Discussion VIII
=ED= Balance Discussion IX

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 8/4/2012 22:34:12 >
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 1
8/4/2012 22:13:31   
King Helios
Member

Problems:

1. Str BMs
2. Tank CHs
3. Boosters

What do we propose to solve these?

First post? ;D
AQ MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 2
8/4/2012 22:20:09   
Mr. Black OP
Member

^
1) Buff other types of BMs (remove some requirements)and have a slight nerf on str ones like increased cost, revise DA, etc.
2) Buff static, get rid of emp, replace plasma armor with technician.
3) Remove them or require that you must be 5 levels (20 less stats after weps) lower in terms of stat points to use them.

Mecha you made a typo, you have Balance Discussion XI on the previous list instead of IX. Fixed. ~Mecha

@below
Normal mercenaries?

< Message edited by Mecha Mario -- 8/4/2012 22:34:48 >
Epic  Post #: 3
8/4/2012 22:20:19   
GoldenNeo
Member

Dude, they should also balance TLM's skills. They tought TLM's are so OP and they nerfed it so badly that it became the worst class. x.x
AQW Epic  Post #: 4
8/4/2012 22:33:22   
Blaze The Aion Ender
Member

Give TLM back technician and Maul
For the CH problem, what Mr. Black op said would work
For str BM's, make it a high dex requirement for fireball, and a higher tech requirement for bludgeon then a dex requirement for DA
That way they need points everywhere

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 5
8/4/2012 22:40:10   
GoldenNeo
Member

Yea they should prolly bring back TLM's old skill, technician + smoke/smoke + maul/or even just smoke/or even replace smoke with malfunction. xD =)
AQW Epic  Post #: 6
8/4/2012 22:45:12   
AQWPlayer
Member

@Blaze The Aion Ender
According to ngshuyi, focus BM is really good and what you suggest will probably make many BMs go that way...
AQW  Post #: 7
8/4/2012 22:47:40   
ND Mallet
Legendary AK!!!


 @Blaze So removing the support req on DA for a Dex req on it is a good idea?
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 8
8/4/2012 23:44:49   
Ez_Ease
Member

A suggestion I would like to make would basically make all strength builds manageable.
You can use the same principle of speed the faster one goes the wider the turn becomes,
and your margin for error reduces drastically. You can achieve this in strength builds across
the board by using a scale: you can determine the number, but I will illustrate what I mean.

If a character has a 21-26 build his accuracy is decreased by -2% and doubling every point after
22-27 -4%
23-28 -8%
you see where I am going with this as a person get stronger his accuracy is less, the only things we currently have is diminsh return for stats,
or try to have a higher support to go first and in my opinion is broken, since I rarely go first when fighting
a BM and I have 62 in my support and I am constantly going second to BM the same level and they have had
30 points less. When fighting them at 25-30 or 26-32 with a +35 weapon that is 60 plus damage they can inflict,
and if you factor in a person defense then they are down to 25-30 and for some that hurts and you have to play
on your heels and hope for a few blocks. The same priciple can be applied to rage gain by strength builds, if you go
with a tank build they get to rage you because you been playing from a defensive stand point, plus because of their
often low defense you dont gain as much. By every point above 20 you gain less rage, plus I think rage should work
in reverse most things do not like to be struck, like the hulk the madder he gets the stronger he get and why usually because
he has been struck by someone or something. Just my two cents what does everyone thinks. Have a great day wherever you are.

< Message edited by Ez_Ease -- 8/4/2012 23:47:52 >
Epic  Post #: 9
8/5/2012 0:31:05   
sky222
Member

How about a tech req for fireball, lv1 = 15, max = 45 and also a dex req for deadly aim, lv1 = 18, max = 48
Also a buff to adrenaline for mercs (oh and stop complaining about TLM being most up, mercs are worse)...
Adrenaline: The adrenaline of the mercenary gives him energy back every turn
Lv1 = 1 energy per turn, Lv5 = 5 energy, Lv7 = 5 energy AND a passive boost of 6 str, Max = 5 Energy AND a passive boost of 15 str
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 10
8/5/2012 2:21:06   
AQWPlayer
Member

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How about a tech req for fireball, lv1 = 15, max = 45 and also a dex req for deadly aim, lv1 = 18, max = 48

You can't put a dex req on DA without affecting TM.

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Also a buff to adrenaline for mercs (oh and stop complaining about TLM being most up, mercs are worse)...

Trudat

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Adrenaline: The adrenaline of the mercenary gives him energy back every turn
Lv1 = 1 energy per turn, Lv5 = 5 energy, Lv7 = 5 energy AND a passive boost of 6 str, Max = 5 Energy AND a passive boost of 15 str

OP. Too OP :P
AQW  Post #: 11
8/5/2012 2:30:57   
rayniedays56
Member

@sky22

A couple of points here. Since STR BM ia highly dependant on Fireball and DA, then the new requirents you suggested would be mind boggling OP


A tech requirent on Fireball allows for greater res and def rates.
A dex requirement on DA allows for greater DEF and block rate.

So a STR BM that had intially 25-30+35 damage with small defenses can now have 23-28+35 danage with higher def. Ultimately allowing for a super tank build that has DA for increased damage and Bloodlust for HP restoration.

The requirement of Support os fine on DA, maybe make it a bit higher. Fireball needs a stat requirement though as mamy players have suggested
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 12
8/5/2012 2:46:35   
doomturtle
Member

Why not make a stat limit so people can't abuse stats. The limit would be like 100 or 110

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AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 13
8/5/2012 3:46:53   
AQWPlayer
Member

@doomturtle
Read rayniedays' post again
AQW  Post #: 14
8/5/2012 10:36:09   
khalidon5000
Member

What about replacing DA with Adrenaline?

< Message edited by khalidon5000 -- 8/5/2012 10:39:10 >
Epic  Post #: 15
8/5/2012 10:45:25   
midnight assassin
Member

Not sure but what if the developers lower the support requirement on sa?

@Depressed. TY

< Message edited by midnight assassin -- 8/5/2012 11:08:03 >
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 16
8/5/2012 10:53:09   
Stabilis
Member

^

The developers. Moderators are are non-developer staff who maintain the fairplay and behaviour in EpicDuel. Lowering the stat requirement on Shadow Arts may not be so bad. However, Bounty Hunters will have a greater potential to have Strength. Coupled with Bloodlust, I would first form a balance suggestion to balance the stats (or weapons).
AQ Epic  Post #: 17
8/5/2012 11:15:45   
midnight assassin
Member

^ In my own opinion even if str builds increase in bh, this might open an opportunity for some bh to be creative in terms of build.
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 18
8/5/2012 12:00:47   
rej
Member

Yeah, I would say lowering the support requirement for SA would be bad. Strength BHs can already get away with hilariously low support. No need to compound that issue.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 19
8/5/2012 13:27:53   
midnight assassin
Member

I wonder what if rather than dex requirement on fire ball, why not support?
MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 20
8/5/2012 14:06:19   
ScarletReaper
Member

Awww Someone else using my avatar. :( time to change it I guess. lol

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DF AQW Epic  Post #: 21
8/5/2012 14:52:27   
Magiskee
Member

@Midnight
That would be an issue if DA wasn't changed since it also has a support requirement. I suggested to have 42 support requirement on fireball when maxed and to replace DA with assimilation but it got ignored .

< Message edited by Magiskee -- 8/5/2012 14:53:29 >

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Post #: 22
8/5/2012 15:01:24   
Shadow Jester
Member

Here is some problems I encountered that just may be stupid. I haven't played in a long time ,but I play now
1. During a battle between me (level 32 CH) and a level 35 full varium BH or BM They go first and they block most of my moves. I usally have higher Dex and a decent level of SA and I'm always blocked of delfected.
2. BM is super overpowered. I get three hitted
I emp
Malf
Aux
Heal
Gun
Strike or robot (depends on their defense)
Then use boosters
and then they either 49 crit me or They block my final attack or deflect it
3. TLMs and Mercs needs a buff
I was a TLM I tried literally every build I thought of and it wasn't working
AQW Epic  Post #: 23
8/5/2012 15:04:34   
DunkThatOreo
Member

Requirements kill creativity, yet you guys/gals still want requirements? Skills should only require certain weapons not the amount of stats. I honestly think stats play too much of a role in
battle, for example blood mage, spam strength untill they have around 110+ then they just have to max BL fireball and atleast lvl 4 bludgeon to win quick and easy battles. Stats should be a bonus in battle.
Not decide the outcome before the battle even begins.
Epic  Post #: 24
8/5/2012 15:23:47   
ansh0
Member

Remove FireBall from BM and slap Double Strike in their face.
Epic  Post #: 25
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