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6/3/2014 23:41:33   
suboto
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Both have low dmg and cleanse 65% of a debuff of malfunction smoke omega over ride and intimidate
With all the new robots 2: kills armor and kills res and def its hurting tank users alot.
Im not asking to make the robot able to cleanse other robots debuffs.
Im asking for a better cleanse of the 4 debuffs it can cleanse to give a better chance of a fight for tanks.
so instead of 65% make it 70% or 75%. In the past it cleansed 80% which made it the best robot ingame. Reducing it by 15% killed it and omega made it worse.
70% would be cutting it close but even 5% would bring the robot back.
75% im a little iffy on that.
70% is more balanced.
75% max buff or 70% minimum buff
I ask ED team please take this into consideration



< Message edited by suboto -- 6/3/2014 23:45:04 >
Epic  Post #: 1
6/4/2014 0:11:49   
Rui.
Banned

 

 Omega override is a 1 time use ultrarare core what costs 120 energy and has a 1 turn warm up.

How do you think I feel when I use this and it gets wiped out right in my face with a bot ?

Assault bot needs to be tweaked to quit removing the omega debuff.

You have to remember this bot reduces the debuff of multiple skills on the same target. So 65% is way to useful in 2 vs 2.
Post #: 2
6/4/2014 0:38:57   
suboto
Member

@Rui. If you suggesting its to useful due to it cleanseing a omega rider debuff thats not enough to say its good enough. In this time of epicduel we have classes stacking debuffs mal and robot debuff or some times mal, smoke, and debuff robot or even mal, over rider, robot debuff and smoke. As a tank user myself I see the issues with not enough coverage against the rise up of the debuff saga. 2 shield skills arent enough of a counter. I just ask that +5% at least for a more balanced robot. We all know when assualt bot was 80% it was to much and so it got nerfed to 65% which was ok until the uprise of debuffs. Examples: http://epicduelwiki.com/w/Malfunction and http://epicduelwiki.com/w/Smoke_Screen and http://epicduelwiki.com/w/Intimidate and http://epicduelwiki.com/w/Omega_Override these are the 4 basic debuffs that the assualt bot can some what restore. Now to mention the other ones it can not cleanse http://epicduelwiki.com/w/Necrosis and http://epicduelwiki.com/w/Armor_Annihilator.

Im uncertain if it can cleanse the curse debuff but lets add that on as an example http://epicduelwiki.com/w/Curse . Finally that totals out 7 debuffs and that leaves 2 or 3 of the 7 uncleanseable and not to mention the robot can only cleanse 65% of those 5 or 4 out of 7 debuffs so its time for a slight buff to be made. 70% is a reasonable amount
Also you see the core for armors it can be knocked off with the robot knock off armor core clearing its core for a limited time also. Thats also devestateing to tanks i forgot to mention that and the rapid reduction in def and res with the new robot. In 2vs2 people sometimes stack those. So I think 70% cleanse is reasonable for the 4 or 5 debuffs it can cleanse.
Also azeral aux can counter some shields by 65% of what they restore. this makes it even more tough for tanks to counter back

in a more clearer view:
malfuntion
smoke screen
omega overrider
intimidate
curse
5 debuffs cleanseable by assualt bot by 65% then add:
if u shield up you have a:
azeral aux knocks out 65% of some shields and azeral robot can break shields also
then if u add:
necrosis and armor annihilator those knock your armor off along with your armor core for a few turns or knocks your res and def at a increaseing rate.
buffing assualt bot by 5% to make it 70% would help tanks a bit more countering debuffwise but only of the debuff they can counter.



< Message edited by suboto -- 6/4/2014 1:46:40 >
Epic  Post #: 3
6/4/2014 3:52:09   
Rui.
Banned

 

 I still don't see the justification for 5% ?
Post #: 4
6/4/2014 10:08:44   
suboto
Member

More facts: no one uses assualt bots any more reasons:
it doesnt clear enough
It fails in cleanseing and cause near death or forces someone to use a shield after cleanse.
Any tank knows this scenrio needs to be done.
I respect your opition but your a strength build
When the assualt bot was nerfed by 15% was when we only had 4 debuffs before omega rider and the 2 new robots came out
buffing it by only 5% slightly helps against now 5 debuffs. and allows shields to be more of a counter to the new robots.

< Message edited by suboto -- 6/4/2014 10:15:24 >
Epic  Post #: 5
6/7/2014 23:14:16   
Mother1
Member

Debuffs have been nerfed into the ground thanks to people complaining about how they work with strength builds (minus intimidate) The assault bot got's it's nerf because it made debuffs almost worthless.

In the state that the game is in now debuffs are almost worthless in most situations due to

1 Shields
2 The passive armors gone active
3 assault bot.

Now you are suggesting that the assault bot get's a buff when debuffs are almost worthless? Doing this would only make debuffs even more worthless for those who fight against assault bot tanks players.
Epic  Post #: 6
6/8/2014 13:33:45   
suboto
Member

@mother hardly anyone uses assault bots anymore lol

debuffs weak and weaker ha thats impossible
debuffs 5 base ones and 2 robot ones
the rage system in the str caster favor and not going in support another weakness to tanks
shield/assault bot 2 turns wasted opponent rage
+5% reasonable for assault bot or a evolved assault bot 2.0 through mission chain
same dmg or -5 either way

< Message edited by suboto -- 6/8/2014 13:35:51 >
Epic  Post #: 7
6/9/2014 0:26:53   
Mother1
Member

Suboto

If you haven't been paying attention Malf was nerfed by three points when support took it's first nerf in the beginning of omega. Smoke also took a nerf since it used to run off of 4 tech per 1 point now it is 5 making it scale slower then before. Last I checked those are nerfs to smoke and malf and now you are asking for a buff to a bot that will make these even weaker.

Those are nerfs to debuffs if I ever saw any which in turn are indirect buffs to the Assault bot.

People don't use the assault bot due to it being a defensive bot which if you haven't noticed is hard to do due to bad balance not favoring it. Buffing this bot will not promote defensive playing since the original factors that are making it hard to play will still be there even with this buff. If you take care of the problem that make offense overpower tanking then in turn you will not only balance the game but this bot will get buffed in the process since offense won't overhelm defense.

Epic  Post #: 8
6/9/2014 1:30:11   
suboto
Member

str casters needs a nerf
change support to rage based in game with that being done thats cool. without that being done its impossible to tank. which is why i suggested giving assault a buff wasnt tryna make the mal/smoke weaker its just the tank side of the game is super nerfed.
Epic  Post #: 9
6/9/2014 4:36:12   
GearzHeadz
Member

I think assault bot needs a boost in damage. It only does 150 last I checked, making it the weakest bot... Make it at least 160 damage, maybe 170 since it's effect doesn't deal any damage.
DF AQW Epic  Post #: 10
6/9/2014 10:26:58   
suboto
Member

A damage buff would be fine honestly anything would help
Epic  Post #: 11
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