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TreadLight -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:05:31)

Gundisalvus, indeed he did. :P

Though, I still think that this is the solution of a character substitution and letter scramble.

Let's try it with Azami's new decryption. :D



Nickwright -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:06:28)

Last line is scrambled and then translates
to Temura Ge'Thrak

Q Y K and I repeat
T E R A and repeat.
Lets do this

Hm scratch that

Ha Still works :D



Eldron -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:08:53)

Should be all perfect squares now.


I'll give you a clue because of my mix-ups.

Don't foget what you have done up to now!



Nex del Vida -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:11:06)

...Okay, okay, fine. One more post.

Someone try decrypting it from numbers and then running it through the substitution we got from the first puzzle. As far as we know, both of these (first and fifth) have been from Eldron.



Gundisalvus -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:12:27)

Ah! So let's look at the last few puzzles! One was a rail cipher, but it doesn't look like that will work this time. Oh, there was that one where letters had to be replaced with other letters!



Lkeas -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:13:07)

Letter frequencies again, hopefully for the last time :P

i : 10
a : 10
v : 6
j : 4
k : 4
h : 4
c : 4
d : 4
y : 4
n : 3
r : 3
t : 3
b : 3
q : 3
m : 2
e : 2
l : 2
f : 1
z : 1
s : 1
o : 1
x : 0
u : 0
g : 0
p : 0
w : 0



TreadLight -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:14:43)

So far the past ciphers used these methods of decryption in the past puzzles:

  1. Rail fence ciphers
  2. Letter substitution
  3. Letter scramble
  4. Alphanumeric cipher from square roots.



Strange little dude -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:15:19)

quote:

A=R
B=V
C=W
D=Unknown
E=Uknown
F=J
G=A
H=I
I=S
J=E
K=T
L=D
M=Unknown
N=M
O=Unknown
P=N
Q=O
R=Unknown
S=Unknown
T=L
U=F
V=Unknown
W=U
X=Unknown
Y=Unknown
Z=C

Letters Missing:

B, G, H, K, P, Q, X, Y.


These are the letter substitutes from the first mystery if that helps



Hagen -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:16:05)

1 + 1 + 1 + 1

There were four puzzles by now.
Maybe the fifth combines all of them - rooting, rail, substitution and name removal...

edit: beaten by TreadLight [;)]



Silverdragon -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:17:10)

I'm not sure if Eldron ment use the same method that we used earlier, or a method that we used on a typoed puzzle.
Whoops gotta fly bye
EDIT sorry false alarm, but I think the above pster may have a real good idea.



Nickwright -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:17:15)

Hmmm
A V F I C A C L T H E R H I A
B N T D A E D J M N V I H V R
K A I L Y C A J M B C A J K N
D D A A V I T Z I O Q Y I V I
R Q Q V B I S K I A Y H J Y K 

R Q Q V B I S K I A Y H J Y K 

  I             I

T E M U R A _ G E ' T H R A K



I = E perhaps



TreadLight -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:21:36)

quote:

R v J S W R W D L I e r I S R
V M L d R e d E m M v S I v r
T R S D y W R E m V W R E T
M d d R R v S L C S o O y S v
S r O O v V S s T S R y I E y T

That's the message decrypted with the first letter substitution.

... >____>



Gundisalvus -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:25:58)

quote:

A=R
B=V
C=W
D=Unknown
E=Uknown
F=J
G=A
H=I
I=S
J=E
K=T
L=D
M=Unknown
N=M
O=Unknown
P=N
Q=O
R=Unknown
S=Unknown
T=L
U=F
V=Unknown
W=U
X=Unknown
Y=Unknown
Z=C

That was from the first puzzle.

quote:

A V F I C A C L T H E R H I A
B N T D A E D J M N V I H V R
K A I L Y C A J M B C A J K N
D D A A V I T Z I O Q Y I V I
R Q Q V B I S K I A Y H J Y K

If we replace the letters we get:
quote:

R ? J S W R W D L I ? ? I S R
V M L ? R ? ? E ? M ? S I ? ?
T R S D ? W R E ? V W R E T M
? ? R R ? S L C S ? O ? S ? S
? O O ? V S ? T S R ? I E ? T

Still don't see anything particularly coherent.

Edit:It seems I was beaten to the punch.



Nex del Vida -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:27:06)

I had an idea. A strange one that would be very hard to work with, but an interesting one.

What if we put it through the substitution cipher four times? So we'd take the sqrt'ed version, alphanumericize it, put it through the substitution cipher, put the result through the substitution cipher, put the result through the substitution cipher, and put the result through the substitution cipher? The number of useable letters would get smaller and smaller, but we might get a word here and there which could help us with the rest of the puzzle.

(I took 1 to mean "the method used for solving the first puzzle, so method1+method1+method1+method1 = method4. That's not the whole thing, since we did other things, but someone should try it.)



Hagen -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:28:30)

If we remove Falerin, Admiral Amada and Zorbak from the message we get:

A V I C C T H H A B T D E J N V H V K I Y C J B C
J K N D A V I T I Q Y I V I Q Q V I S K I Y H J Y



TreadLight -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:33:02)

Due to what we are finding out right now... Maybe 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 4 means that we need to use the past four methods from the past four puzzles to solve this one.

Eldron is saying "don't forget what you have done up to now!"



Nickwright -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:34:29)

A V I C C T H H A
B T D E J N V H V
K I Y C J B C J K N
D A V I T I Q Y I V I
Q Q V I S K I Y H J Y


Hagan's in correct format



Jakau Ryuu -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:37:05)

I think it's safe to say this may well be a compound code. Anyone tried a Polybius square, though that might not work well here... atbash or ROT13? You guys have already figured the numerical cipher portion, but the letters are clearly scrambled. This looks to be a headache...



TreadLight -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:41:37)

Polybius square? Hmm... That could really work!

Each of the 5 lines has 15 characters, so let's try that!



Lkeas -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:43:43)

With Admiral Amada, Zorbak, and Falerin taken out, the new letter frequency is:

i : 8
v : 6
h : 4
y : 4
j : 4
c : 4
q : 3
a : 3
t : 3
k : 3
d : 2
b : 2
n : 2
e : 1
s : 1
u : 0
x : 0
z : 0
w : 0
m : 0
g : 0
f : 0
l : 0
o : 0
p : 0
r : 0

If we translate Hagen's cipher just using common letter frequencies, you get something like this:

H T E N N R A A H U R L M I C T A T D E O N I U N I D C L H T E R E S O E T E S S T E W D E O A I O



Hagen -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:43:47)

> Nickwright

The next step should be railing and that's what I did...



Nickwright -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:44:42)

Ahhh, Kay, XD I was wondering why you put it in two rows...

Silly me...



Gundisalvus -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:45:08)

I don't see how you could use all four methods. It just doesn't seem like it would work well.



Aaronrules380 -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:48:53)

if we undo it as a cypher we ge AJVKINCDCATVHIHTAIBQTYDIEVJINQVQHVVIKSIKYICYJHBJCY



Jakau Ryuu -> RE: =WF= A Mystery Unfolds! (6/1/2009 18:51:59)

Another thought... perhaps, instead of removing the names, we could use one for a keyword cipher? Or Vigenère cipher (though this might take a little while to figure out.)? Admiral Amada is kinda out for being a keyword, but Falerin and Zorbak aren't...



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