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Dimentic -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:02:37)

What are we supposed to do with the 10k var from Omega promo? Buy another 10k for these useless weapons? (useless as neither core is helping against str abusers.)
Stacking varium which has no use or simply wasting our money?
Disappointment after disappointment, that pretty much sums up Omega for me.



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:05:41)

Use it? What did you use it for before? Enhancements? Well, now you can buy Cores. Before you say anything, there was Credit option for enhancements too so why did you use Varium then? Serves the same purpose as it did then, but cheaper.

Also, no one forces you to buy it. So calling it a disappointment because you don't plan on buying it doesn't mean others won't like it. :I



Calogero -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:14:47)

Let's see...

1700 varium for Enhancements or +100 000 credits
Or
No idea how many variums for Cores or 7000 credits...


It's so laughable low that it's not even worth spending varium for it...
It's not even Time saving
and now they'll release another Varium Pack Promo for the Azrael weapons...
Really? Really?



Santa ClawZz -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:16:47)

Although I like the new prices very much, I have to say, 200 1vs1 wins would get me a new core easily, which can last for months. I think buying cores need to cost a bit more via credits, varium is becoming very devalued.



SouL Prisoner -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:20:27)

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Or wait until people get used to Omega so Devs will allow removing the locked cores? This WILL be done if you didn't know, was said many times as well. Your loss.


Will happen is future tense ... Whose time is unknown.. till then what do I do ?? Don't play or buy other weapons ?? Lol ... That's the most sad irony ... I collect promo weapons and still have to use other normal weapons ... ,



@ Santa

These r basic cores ... Just wait and watch ... Some day you will ask them to reduce the prices :)



Death Carrot -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:20:39)

A bad development, it simply tried to balance the game and spoiled even more, varium now has no value, paying not be a worthless



Dimentic -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:26:54)

@Trans I don't see why would a paying customer be happy with the current stage.

Sig removed. Please use it once per page. ~Mecha



SouL Prisoner -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 13:29:57)

@ carrot

Earlier varium acted as an upper hand and now as quicker hands ....and i think varium as upper hand did a better job and devs will realise this soon ... When their profits go down )



the final hour -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 14:33:16)

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Earlier varium acted as an upper hand and now as quicker hands ....and i think varium as upper hand did a better job and devs will realise this soon ... When their profits go down )


i've been trying to make this argument for a long time cause i knew the devs would continue mistakenly down this path .

but ive been getting shot down by most likely none variums .

but ive tryed to be more constructive as im just being pounced on when the none variums dont like the idea of the paying player having a advantage .

but ive come to the sad realisation that its pointless to argue . if variums dont like it they wont play and i wont .

and the staffs profit will take a nose dive . and they will have no choice but to fix omega . and fix varium .

and the balance strengh support need a survere fix.

almost every skill needs fixing and im not just talking about the ones that improve with strengh im talking about the likes of bolt supercharge with the lower hp / lower defences alot of the skills are doing far too much damage .

its ridicolous the balance is so far out of control the worst i have ever seen it .

too sum this up

varium is not worth anything anymore

the lagg is worse then ever to almost unplayable levels

and the balance is so bad its almost funny the worst i can remember it ever being



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 14:41:04)

But, think about it people.. Would this change (Omega) go through if it was to hurt profits on such a scale? Titan and NW cannot make decisions on their own, they are working for AE so if it was to hurt profits (or worse) then it wouldn't even happen. You make it sound so easy, that sales will go down drastically to the point where none will be purchased, with.. no data or whatsoever to back it up with.

Also, there's no lag. It was fixed few days back, only left could be due to overpopulated server or your PC. It works fine after the recent fix.



the final hour -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 14:53:30)

wasnt my pc earliar today

and the companie cant predict precisely whats going to happen . companies often try things when they they arent making enough money in the current system . or arent getting enough players. etc etc

does not mean the new system will work . doesnt mean the new system wont make it worse.

they find out by testing the water . don't know till you try.

but i think it will hurt their pockets . obviously its going to if people still buy varium which im not sure they will . it will be no where near on the same scale.

and the fact is the numbers on the servers are not improving at any given time .

so wheres the money going to come from ?



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:03:49)

@final It's not like ED is trying out an entirely unheard of system. Dozens of games use a system similar to this one. They probably gather info on those games and the playerbase and see if it's an improvement for them or not. They obviously must have seen something beneficial to them if they decided to go ahead with it. Also, look at AQW. They also use a similar system. They don't sell power. They sell appearance and shortcuts yet they manage to get the entire ED playerbase on just one server.



the final hour -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:11:06)

^ ND im tryna be more constructive then usual so im going to try and point out where i think your argument is flawed.

AQW is a entirely different game for one thing its mostly PVE rather then PVP
that alone is a huge difference .

secondly it has vastly more content with a much bigger virtual world with alot more to do .

thirdly AQW has a additional source of revenue in that you have to pay for membership in order to use certain equipment in adition of that you have to pay to purchase AQWs equivelent to varium (you will have to forgive me the name for their premium currency escapes me )




Mother1 -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:14:41)

@ ND mallet

While this may work for some games it doesn't work for all. Plus with only one source of revenue (which is what the paying player pay when they spend their money on varium) if you do something that is going to upset your customers you can expect to lose them.

My guess is that they are trying to lure new non varium players in with this to save time. However at the same time with most Non varium's saying "you are paying to lose" Does that sound like they are going pay for time saved when they can just pay for free and not spend a scent?



Ranloth -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:19:24)

@the final hour
And so is yours.. >_> Good for spotting that AQW has ACs and Membership. Now read this again from ND's post:
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They sell appearance and shortcuts yet they manage to get the entire ED playerbase on just one server.

Membership AND Adventure Coins (ACs) sell on appearance. People BUY them despite being mainly appearance. Membership, yes, has its bonuses but compare ACs to Varium then. We're not comparing profits, that one is pointless since it's easy to see. Not mentioning the size of ED Team compared to AQW Team (this proves your 2nd point wrong).
And fact that AQW is PvE has nothing to do with it. Further proves that AQW sells even more on looks than ED does when it has looks, PvP and even stats (not mentioning cores + decent skill tree).



Santa ClawZz -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:19:46)

While both games are PvE and PvP, EpicDuel has win/lose records. That makes players not take losing as lightly as players over at AQW do. This is why people that have bought the only real money currency are fighting for advantage, it's because there is no way that their record can be better than a non-varium player, because they are all equal.


I'm all for this balance and low prices myself, but maybe varium players can have some sort of edge in another area? Maybe a new zone, a new NPC? Something significant enough to make varium buying more than taking a shortcut to upgrading weapons or buying cores.



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:25:23)

Transformice. No membership, only secondary currency. PvP, race against other players. Secondary currency serves only as a shortcut method and nothing to do with power. It's doing perfectly fine. Every time I log in I get greeted by the sight of dozens of different looks from the majority of the players. Most of these items and skins they have cost quite a few weeks of farming in-game to earn so I guess that most of them are bought with secondary currency.

Dead Frontier. Membership and secondary currency. Currency can be bought in-game. PvE but there is PvP in the game and leaderboards that pit players against others in terms of PvE kills or PvP kills. The secondary currency gives mainly a shortcut since almost every thing can be earned in-game aside from some special secondary only currency perks(which actually can be earned if you buy enough of the 2nd currency from in-game). No items are member only. They only get cheaper rates on 2ndary currency items(which no one buys anyways)



Drianx -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:29:50)

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While both games are PvE and PvP, EpicDuel has win/lose records. That makes players not take losing as lightly as players over at AQW do. This is why people that have bought the only real money currency are fighting for advantage, it's because there is no way that their record can be better than a non-varium player, because they are all equal.


I'm all for this balance and low prices myself, but maybe varium players can have some sort of edge in another area? Maybe a new zone, a new NPC? Something significant enough to make varium buying more than taking a shortcut to upgrading weapons or buying cores.


Entirely true. Look at AQW, they are really feeding AC buyers and members with content.

There should be two words to describe varium content: shortcut and exclusivity. So far its only purpose is to be a shortcut. Because exclusive content - such as Omega weapons or old promo rares - are barely visible, and far from enough to satisfy the buyer.

Right now a varium buyer lv35 can be literally crushed and offended by lower level non variums. OK, he might not have skill, but what does he actually receive for the money? Only some shiny useless weapons? Worth thinking about.



the final hour -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:31:50)

the fact it is pve makes a massive difference .

im not sure how to explain this properly .

for one thing pve attracts alot more people then pvp ever will . the more people you have the more that are likely to spend money .

i understand your point about AQW having alot more staff but at the end of the day . the more a game has the more that will play . not meaning to be harsh but a small game will never get the attention a larger game will that stands to reason .

in a pve game people are less likely to worry about advantage or strengh and more lilkely to be concerned about appearence . cause lets face it pve is alot easier obviously. in pvp the brutal honest situation is everyone wants to win nobody cares how quickly they get something or how good it looks they want the edge in battle . ED does not have enough content to work on this system IMHO the very few people who do buy varium what happens then once their at the level cap ? theyve got everything with 1 10k package ( thats assuming they buy the varium to begin with ) how long before they get bored of the same old routine i mean you have 1v1 2v2 and juggernaut and 2v2 and juggernaut arent that different in honesty.

and aqws membership is massively different since you have to have it to access certain servers and certain areas . not to mention if you buy the ACs with real $$ if you dont keep paying for membership you can no longer use thoose items or access the servers or extra areas. AQW has a much larger player base and more streams of revenue. i think comparing the 2 games is like comparing chalk and cheese

i cannot respond to transformice as i have not played it.



Drianx -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 15:43:34)

@the final hour

I'm at your side, dude. I'm saying what you are saying - varium is barely worth it. Except for I said it in a more advanced way.

And AQW and ED can be compared, in terms of what you receive for the money aka AC+membership and varium. No matter if one is pve and the other is pvp, or if one has a larger or smaller player base - for me what matters is what the player gets for the money. and it is

1. Shortcut
With varium and ACs you can quickly buy what others should work alot for - such as reputation classes in AQW or almost anything in EpicDuel.

2. Exclusivity
AQW has immense benefits for members and AC buyers. Anyone can read them just by visiting the AQW homepage.

On the other hand, EpicDuel only offers some weapons - because they are nothing special in effectiveness - some hairstyles and name change. Is it enough for the money in terms of exclusivity? Far from enough.



Lycus -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 16:12:23)

Hey guys, it's great that you are giving feedback on currency, however financial discussion is not allowed on the forums as noted in the ED GD Rules. We have allowed you to discuss it quite a bit lately, due to the new update, however it has became too much of a rant and gone way past the point of making a simple point.

I would ask you please to continue on giving feedback on Omega, not the currency or financial side, as the point has been made already! All future posts on that subject will be deleted as soon as seen, so do not even waste energy posting them. Thank you all for the feedback in general, it really is helpful and this is why we want you all to get back to the main subject of core gameplay in Omega, thanks!



Variation -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 19:45:38)

My feed back on Omega - Juggernaut finally a winnable challenge for the people forcibly pulled into the match

I'm finally enjoying my encounter with juggernauts. The mode no longer hands out candy to the Juggernauts like it used to, but rather requires them to think for it ;). Me and my partner just beat a full cored(no more calling people variums lulz) player in a Juggernaut match, one wrong move and I would've been squashed (partner only lasted 2 moves). From what I've read browsing the forums, players seem to be ranting about how "hard" it is, but really? A mode shouldn't be considered hard because it was changed to where brainless people can't get 90%+ ratios. Now playing against this Juggernaut, at the end of the match I determined, all the guy needed to win was HP points which he would've had more of if he hadn't dumped a majority of his points into strength. He would've gotten all of the damage he lost in the extra turn(s) he would've received (unless of course, blocks). So based on my experiences when health boosters are returned I think the Juggernaut battle mode will be fine, of course not for the brainless.

Now, these are only based on my experiences, as I said. It could be a lot worse, but as bad as the rants on the forum? I lose some of the Juggernaut matches I'm forced into, but because of omega, I finally get to win some!



Mother1 -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 20:37:26)

@ variation

You are playing from the opponents side, the people complaining now are the jugs getting destroyed by stat abuse builds. Whether you read it or not strength has been recongized by the staff as being OP. I get plenty of these strength abusers and even with high defenses, they still manage to get 20-30 damage on me a pop and this is without debuffs. Have 35-42 defense and 30-37 resist should mean something but to a strength abuser pushing 90-100 str those defenses don't mean much.

Like you said you experienced fairness on your side, but for me I get so many OP builds that tear through defenses it isn't funny. I have won 1 match since omega and that was because the person wasn't smart enough to use his gun on me when I was smoked.

To be honest I had a lot more fun when enhancements were available on both sides since those fights I could tank, but at the same time OP builds weren't an issue because I had decent defenses.



Fortitudo -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 21:15:44)

When enhancements were "available" on both sides, it was usually the juggernaut side that had the most.



Mother1 -> RE: =ED= Omega Update Feedback (2/14/2013 21:23:49)

Which was no fault of the Jug or the opponents who faced jugs. Only reason enhancements weren't on the side of the opponents most of the time was because enhancements cost an arm an a leg for non variums and I will admit that wasn't fair. It was the main reason why they were punching bags to jugs even if they were fully armed. It was only when most reached cap level that they fully enjoyed fighting jugs because they stood a chance without luck.



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