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H O L L O W -> Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 1:57:15)

This post is regarding Tactical Mercs and their OP Surgical + Android build. I am a bounty hunter, using a focus build with high def and res, yet I lose almost every time a fight a TLM using Max surgical and Infernal Android. First thing is, no matter what i do, i can never stop them from using surgical. If i emp, they use generator and get the energy back. If they still need a little more, they simply get it from conversion. So taking away surgical is basically impossible, but the problem is, even if u are one hit away from killing them, surgical turns the whole game around. It gives then HP back, does massive damage, and takes away your rage. Then you have to heal because your smoke has worn off and you cant kill them. You also know that they now have rage with Android special which is basically a guaranteed +50 damage on rage. So no matter what you do, your basically screwed. You have no rage, no energy, and they can still kill you the next turn. This is why one of these things needs to be nerfed. Surgical + Android special is simply too OP when you're dealing with a tac who has high defense, meaning they can last very long, get energy back using conversion+ generator rendering your emp's useless, and then do massive damage to finish you off. Now im aware that there are certain bounties who say they can beat them easily using azreal weps but not everybody has those so please consider the rest of us who didnt buy the promotional package.

(PS: Omega Yeti costs 45,000 creds while android only cost 12,000. You also have to waste so much time to upgrade yeti into Omega, yet regardless of all this, the android still gets a WAY better special that more then makes up for the 3 extra damage the yeti has. 130% normal damage is ALOT when your normal damage would be around 45. I am aware of how many times the android has been nerfed, but it obviously wasn't enough.)



Mother1 -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 2:07:02)

Well the infernal android unlike the baby yeti was originally a free to play bot, so of course the price would be lower. Also the price of the infernal android is now 25K not 14K like it was in delta. The bot is a lot more expensive now.

Also as for the infernal android as much as I wish they would just remove the bot from the game and refund everyone's currency this bot has been nerfed more times then any other bot in the game. It has had 6 nerfs since it was made which is actually saying something cause when this bot first came out it was vastly OP.

As for me with this combo I have it a little easier but yeah it is powerful due to all the nerfs they have done. Personally thought I would rather see the other builds buffed up to match this rather then nerf yet another build.



Thesoulweaver -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 2:11:35)

@Mother1

Yeah, removing IA will perhaps be the best solution to the 5 focus problem.



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 2:37:21)

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just remove the bot from the game


._.

#faint



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 2:46:19)

While i can agree with a Surgical Strike nerf, i cant agree with an IA nerf.
It is not IAs fault that Focus builds are now ruling, its Focus itself.

I can easily counter a build that has IA except for very experienced Max surg TLMs.
The robot itself isnt so good anymore, but thats my opinion.

I find Golden Yeti still much better then IA, but thats because the yeti helps with my strategy.
IA is more for the Tech spam ppl.

Nerf focus and IA isnt so good anymore.



Mother1 -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 3:14:59)

@ Zeph

nerf focus and all the other bots are weakened but the infernal Android still says powerful even with the nerf. Goldslayer was able to get 30+ damage out of this bot with 0 focus while using it with rage. I tried that with other robots with rage and I get nowhere near that even with tech spamming.

Now if 30+ damage can be gotten with 0 focus but having a lot of tech as it is now, image the nerf and someone using the bot with focus 5. Sure it won't give as much damage as before, but it will still pack a powerful punch.




goldslayer1 -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 3:51:05)

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While i can agree with a Surgical Strike nerf, i cant agree with an IA nerf.
It is not IAs fault that Focus builds are now ruling, its Focus itself.

why nerf SS? IIRC, massacre is still stronger damage wise. does massacre need a nerf too?

IA isn't just shining now.
i had 98% builds in delta with infernal android.
surprisingly enough, it was 5 focus max SS TLM. IA being stronger back then made the build even better.

focus is a problem no one is denying that.
but the robot is overpowered when compared to the others.



santonik -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 4:33:00)

Nerf IA bot. Maybe max damage 100-110%. I taking off that damage rising ability. I nerf focus too.I dont care how but this must happen.

I dont want nerf surcigal because that is ultimate skill and that is 2 class. I nerf this only if this is OP.

Maybe critical/rage nerf help too.but im not sure. That can making even more tank that Tacticalmerc.

BTW what this mean? IIRC, i dont understand that.



Xendran -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 4:37:34)

make it 85 - 120% and give the special an energy cost of (10+(focus*2))*(charge)

Full Charge Costs:
5: 24
4: 22
3: 20
2: 17
1: 14
0: 12

Minimum Charge Costs:
5: 17
4: 16
3: 14
2: 12
1: 10
0: 9



Mother1 -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 4:37:36)

@ santonik

If I remember correctly.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 4:38:27)

@santonik
IIRC = If I Recall Correctly


the progression could be changed for the damage.

starts at 85%
then +2.5% damage per turn. and caps out at 125%

this way it would take 17 turns to get max damage.



santonik -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 4:41:39)

Ty yours answer ^^



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 5:00:21)

quote:

massacre is still stronger damage wise

Exactly, damage wise.
SS has 2 effects which makes it OP.
Massacre has None.

quote:

i had 98% builds in delta with infernal android.

1. NPC
I saw you alot at the mechallids.
2. Enchancements
Everybody could get 98% if he had enchancements



goldslayer1 -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 5:14:43)

@blitzex
take out NPCs and the build was still 94.7%

thats higher than almost all of the players (with npcs) in the lb.

quote:

Everybody could get 98% if he had enchancements

funny, i didn't see that alot.

quote:

1. NPC
I saw you alot at the mechallids.

are u referring to the war? im talking about back in january of THIS year.
not in the infernal war.



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 5:21:42)

quote:

funny, i didn't see that alot.

Then you didnt see me, matt, deathnightmare or any other Ultimate enchancer who actually is good in this game i guess...

quote:

are u referring to the war? im talking about back in january of THIS year.
not in the infernal war.

Mechallids were still there after the Infernal war.
Dont talk like you dont know, you were milking out those NPCs as pie for easy wins.

And a note, i wasnt even their at the infernal war, i was a lvl 1 char when the bionic battlegear promo left the game.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 5:30:37)

quote:

Then you didnt see me, matt, deathnightmare or any other Ultimate enchancer who actually is good in this game i guess...

:O
i guess u didn't know what i meant by "funny, i didn't see that alot."
u make it sound like everybody in the LB was 98%. when in fact there was barely 1-3 with 98%. and this wasn't everyday.

quote:

Dont talk like you dont know, you were milking out those NPCs as pie for easy wins.

so? im not denying it. i did npcs.

build was still 94.7% without them.
250-14 (on 1 particular day) without npcs.



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 6:08:15)

quote:

u make it sound like everybody in the LB was 98%. when in fact there was barely 1-3 with 98%. and this wasn't everyday.

Take into account that not everyone ends up in the LB as you need above 100-200 (depends on EST) to get on there.
Which still makes it possible to get 98% for alot of ppl but unseen by the community.





Sageofpeace -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 7:07:05)

all i can say is if they nerf surgical strike main as well take away from MERCENARY



Xendran -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 8:49:24)

Surgical strike is fine as it is.



Darkwing -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 8:50:49)

make it a 100% copy of gamma bot, not just 50%
special damage starts at 100% and it DOESN'T GO UP, and you can use the special more times, not just once per battle.



Ranloth -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 8:58:08)

It was said that IA is NOT and will NOT be a copy of Gamma Bot. End of story.



Necromantres -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 9:10:26)

and i (i'm a merc) get pwned by bounty hunters with emp grenade and smoke, massacre or ch ( you know the drill) , should they also be nerfed just because i lose to them?



Xendran -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 9:23:05)

EMP should, becuase it's an abomination of a skill.



Darkwing -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 11:37:47)

@ trans, well IT IS a copy of gamma bot, if you take out that the special can do more damage in time. End of story: part 2



Blitzex/Sr. Zeph -> RE: Surgical Strike OR Infernal Android Nerf (4/25/2013 11:53:16)

quote:

well IT IS a copy of gamma bot

Apparently you know more then us, enlighten us about this ''IA is a copy of Gamma''?



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