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Xendran -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 16:15:36)

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I updated the language file to reflect the new 4 Damage per focus change. This was a typo. You may need to clear your cache to see this change in the Focus rollover menu on your stats page.


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If going by 4 focus i have (21+17+20)*0.6/4 poison damage, which nets me 8.7 rounded up to 9.
My poison is doing 10 per turn, which would require 21+17+25 to go to 9.45 rounding up to 10.

Yep, focus is *5



kosmo -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 16:23:35)

acutally the bot doesnt hit the ammount of dmg is written on my stats page. there is a bug during the battle, the bot deals MORE dmg then before.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 16:27:09)

bugs bugs bugs....

did u know that if someone class changes while you are looking at their cheevos
the cheevos and skill tree icons of the new class overlap each other in animation?

i tell ya man, these bugz...



spinutto -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 16:39:11)

I hitted 61 dmg on a lv1 City guard with a 16-20+17+20 bot.
So as of wiki, city guard has 1-2 def, my raw dmg is 62-63 dmg, which is obviously different to my bot dmg(53-57)



kosmo -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 16:39:44)

my bot should deal 16-20+18+20 that means 54-58 dmg, but i tried it multiple times on my alts and this calculation is wrong, my bot deals 7/8 dmg points more than my gun that whit DA should be
10-12+35+9 = 54-56



Ranloth -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:23:38)

Yep, still not fixed. My Botanical Hazard just did 52 damage on City Guard (Lvl 1) with 1-2 Defence, whilst my damage is 14-18 +17 +16 -> 47-51, so the highest I could get is 50 damage.



Xendran -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:24:48)

I don't find much comfort in the fact that titan dismissed it as a visual bug without actually checking, it seems. If he has, he certainly hasn't told us, so we're sitting here with no information and a buggy iteration of the update.

Update from the looks of it



Ranloth -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:29:40)

The change did nothing so far since Focus 5 + bumped base damage by +3 has given only -2 less damage, which makes very little difference. <.<



kosmo -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:37:03)

yes , focus bonus is 5 and all bots got a 3 dmg buff, thats a rlly little nerf, i still dont agree tht my bot should hit less than my aux, but i think the nerf should be like 4 dmg, not 2 or 7
ed team? .... there is a big annoing bug, r u gonna give us info or r u sleeping already?



Xendran -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:40:45)

It should stay at +4 per focus and +3 to bot damage, but 6 focus should be added.



kosmo -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:42:54)

agreed , rlly nice idea.



King Helios -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:43:26)

Could we do +4.5 to focus, no bot dmg increase? Or a scaling decrease*?

EX: 1 focus: +7
2 focus: +13
3 focus: +18
4 focus: +22
5 focus: +25
6 focus: +27





ansh0 -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:46:59)

No, 4 focus with +3 bot dmg is fine.

Just need the bug to be fixed.



Ranloth -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:48:22)

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Nightwraith @Nightwraith_ED
Certain crucial code, including that involving new bot damage calculations did not roll live. Restarting for fixes.



Xendran -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:53:01)

Focus damage should be ((lowestStat-20)/5)*4) instead of being forced to go by 5. This ends up with the same scaling for focus, but allows you to go in between instead of it just being a +4 jump every time.

The simpler version of the formula is (lowestStat-20)*0.8
*0.8 does the same thing as x/5*4

So we go from 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24
to

New Focus Progression



Q...Q -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:55:48)

Buff the legendary Gamma bot please.

Nerf others.



Ranloth -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:57:38)

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Buff the legendary Gamma bot please.

Nerf others.

That's why people hate on Founders and soon perhaps the other phases. There's no buff needed.



King Helios -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 17:57:40)

@Xendran

But then, at level 35, you could get...

(136 stats)
(136 / 4 = 34)
(34*.8 = 27.2)

With the +3 bot damage, that would be the same as old focus, just mroe tanky and annoying.



Xendran -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 18:01:01)

Helios: You did something wrong. This ends up with focus scaling being identical to the new +4 system.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d42/abcboydabc/focus_zps85b1af9b.png

Helios, first of all you can get well above 34 as your lowest stat. Second of all, its lowestStat-20, not just lowestStat.
To achieve 27 bot damage you would need 54 in every stat, which is going to gimp your HP as well as limit your ability to spam a stat for skills like plasma bolt and bunker buster.

Now, you actually have to think about bot damage vs skill damage vs attack damage instead of just getting 45/45/70+/45 as your setup.



spinutto -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 18:01:53)

Now that i looked at it, it seemed like an overkill nerf..
I just did 50 dmg on lv1 City Guard...
My Bot does 16-20+17+20 dmg
It will do a little more than aux dmg on a high tech support build on a opponent with average defenses (26-32+5)



goldslayer1 -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 18:02:52)

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Focus damage should be ((lowestStat-20)/5)*4) instead of being forced to go by 5. This ends up with the same scaling for focus, but allows you to go in between instead of it just being a +4 jump every time.

The simpler version of the formula is (lowestStat-20)*0.8
*0.8 does the same thing as x/5*4

So we go from 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24
to

http://s32.photobucket.com/user/abcboydabc/media/focus_zps85b1af9b.png.html

^
rabble should take a look at this.



Ranloth -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 18:05:47)

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little more than aux dmg on a high tech support build

Bots scale slower than Auxes and Support. Aux will surpass the Bot after certain amount of Support. Likewise with Str + Primary/Gun. At Focus 4-5 build, these will be equal but on certain leans - if you go for high Support then Aux will be stronger & higher Tech will give you stronger Bot damage.

It's quite interesting how Poison scales down or up, depending on the number. I get 47-51, and Poison would deal 7.05-7.65 damage per turn (IIRC, it takes the lowest/base damage) so I deal 7 damage on Poison, instead of usual rounding up to 8.



King Helios -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 18:12:46)

@xendran

I am an idiot.

That was 34 added to the base stat! :/ Sorry, you're right.



Dual Thrusters -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 18:32:52)

Hold on........

Bots are now weaker than auxiliaries!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

now wheres that support build that i kept.......



Xendran -> RE: Patch Notes - 1.5.13 (5/3/2013 18:38:19)

Auxes have higher scaling, better specials, scale with the crit stat, and can be used alongside a bot. I don't see what the problem is.
Why should bots be stronger than rocket launchers? Just because they're newer?



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