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thulsa doom -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 8:59:49)

@Isangman0: If you look Warlic up in the wiki you will see how his eye color has slowly changed to purple over the years -- pretty thin, I know, but still a nice,subtle clue IMO. And I don't believe that we will have to kill the 13th CL. I think that (whoever it is) will help us defeat MoM and or Drakath -- after all either antagonist is just too strong for the Hero to ever really hope to beat alone.

@NoChaosNoCry: The Hero serves Chaos by killing the Chaos Beast (each death helps unlock MoMs prison). The Hero can't ignore the C. Beast since they would create havoc and destroy the innocents (Chaos); so he/she must kill the C Beast as the lesser of two evils.
As for the second part of your question: It is possible, but we need more clues.



Isangman0 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 9:12:29)

@ thulsa doom

Oh yeah, I noticed that as well. Must have forgotten about that when I typed the last post. Thanks for the reminder.

Considering Warlic was thought to be not completely human, my guess if he truly is the final Chaos Lord, then he will have full control over his form and he will use that extra power boost to help the Hero.



NoChaosNoCry -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 9:31:34)

@thulsa doom
So that what it means!
I just start the mirror realm story(well,skipping bloodtusk,sandsea and span,etc),
I find confused,every counterpart's age is as same as the one at our world,
except...hero(still an egg) and artix(dead already),why?



Zalga -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 9:51:52)

@thulsa doom
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(each death helps unlock MoMs prison)


Umm no. To unlock each seal on the portal a beast has to be created/summoned/appeared. It doesn't need to be killed in order to open the gate. I'm pretty sure the lake Hydra is still having a hard time under Escherion's tower, and Kathool is taking his nap.

@NoChaosNoCry

The concept of counterpart varies. In this case if I'm not mistaken there's too little information about the egg to guarantee that it's so and so. Undead Artix, on the other hand, is not that strange (except the champion stuff). In our world he's a Paladin fighting undeads, therefore his role reversed to the opposite: Undead Paladin fighting livings.



NoChaosNoCry -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 10:17:28)

@Zalga
hmm,seems that you are right,in fact,there are many problems about the mirror realm
Last time,we see first 7 lords of order is the counterpart of 13 lords of chaos,
then there is something funny,
Alteon is chaoscorrupted and turn in to one of the CL,
but Alteon in mirror realm is an evil man,right?
There's no reason he will become OL,
I only have 2 ideas
A.Mirror Drakath can "ordercorrupt" others
B.Not all OL=CL,and it's because Drakath can corrupt people to become chaos lord even they don't want to but Mirror Drakath can't
However,Ledgermayne is one of the OL,Ledgermayne in original world is created by chaoscorrupting mana,
Ledgermayne must also be "ordercorrupted" to exist in mirror realm,
so I think maybe the last CL maybe an OL that don't want to be an OL,only forced by "ordercorruption"
and he break the "ordercorruption" and used an unknown skill to go to another side and make a deal with Drakath and become a CL



thulsa doom -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 10:38:22)

@Zalga
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It doesn't need to be killed in order to open the gate
Technically, you're right (according to the Wiki) but it's still a moot point since we never see a new rune added to MoMs prison until after we defeat the CB.
As for Kathool -- I'm still stuck on his referring to the Hero as the Chosen One (remember that He was summoned by Iadoa who was fighting his Chaoruption and trying to help the Hero). No one would ever call his enemy by that title, but Kathool lives "outside of Time" and therefore has knowledge beyond our ken. I don't believe that the Hero will be the next CL -- that's too obvious. Nor do I believe that Kathool is a true CB in terms of his alliance-- he is beyond that. So that begs the question: What is the Hero "Chosen" for?
Hero, Champion, Avatar, CL or simply Savior?



Zalga -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 11:04:47)

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we never see a new rune added to MoMs prison until after we defeat the CB.


We did. In mobius saga, the cutscene "The Runix cube".

Kathool was not summoned by Iadoa. He volunteered himself to be a Chaos Beast. He is, but is not limited to, a Chaos Beast.
Also, don't question Kathool. You cannot resist Kathool. Kathool will eat your mind.



Jolan3000 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 20:30:55)

Warlic in AQW has changed his color eyes to purple (like chaos). But the 13 CL can travel between mirror realm and normal realm. Can Warlic do that? If so, then Warlic is the main suspect to be the 13 CL.



301st Legion -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 22:00:14)

That's a pretty powerful hunch we got there. Warlic is most likely the next Chaos Lord. And for the fact that the last Chaos Lord could travel to both the Mirror Realm and normal Realm, I believe Warlic can do such.



ShadowMoon -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 22:42:37)

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2. We know that the developers aren't afraid to kill off popular characters if it means advancing the story line, Alteon proves that.

the more popular the character, the greater the impact.
though Brittany's death had more impact then alteons, quite a few fourmites(including myself) where calling for his death.we knew it was coming & we knew he'd become a chaos lord long before it happened.



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 22:56:41)

I really doubt it's Warlic. Why would it be? What could he even gain? He's already immortal and extremely powerful. I'm thinking it will be a new character or some crazy thing they throw in that doesn't make sense that could involve the mirror realm.



301st Legion -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/15/2014 23:21:34)

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I really doubt it's Warlic. Why would it be? What could he even gain? He's already immortal and extremely powerful. I'm thinking it will be a new character or some crazy thing they throw in that doesn't make sense that could involve the mirror realm.

All of those highlighted points are nowhere near anything that might happen to the last Chaos Lord. First of all, why should it be a new character? The last Chaos Lord has to be an existing character, so that there is more impact. Second, they cannot just throw in anything crazy. This is the final Chaos Lord, for crying out loud. It would be completely nonsensical to throw in something crazy.

Lastly, I don't think that the Mirror Realm would be completely involved, as Chaos Lord Xiang already covered majority of that. But since there is a hint that the final Chaos Lord could travel between the Mirror Realm and the current Lore, a fraction of the Mirror Realm would most likely be involved. But I'm not expecting the entire Chaos Lord saga to cover the Mirror Realm just as Xing and Xang already did.

Although if the part wherein they choose something crazy does happen, I'd root for Sebastian to be the most likely Chaos Lord. He definitely has the killer looks that match an ideal Chaos Lord. Just make those villainous eyes glow purple and then he's set to raise the final Chaos Beast and fulfill Drakath's plans.



Jolan3000 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 14:22:57)

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I really doubt it's Warlic. Why would it be? What could he even gain? He's already immortal and extremely powerful. I'm thinking it will be a new character or some crazy thing they throw in that doesn't make sense that could involve the mirror realm.

If he is already extremely powerful, then as the 13 CL will be the most powerful CL that has ever existed. And we know that the 13 CL will be that strong.



itnaoreh321 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 16:30:25)

@NoChaosNoCry

Order (just like chaos) is not good or evil.
You have to remember that Mirror Alteon is an extremly power hungry man. Becoming an Order Lord would give him the power he needs. All he needed to do was pretend that he has changed his ways and Mirror Drakath being the kind and forgiving guy that he is could make him an Order lord because of this.

At this point both Warlic and the hero are the best candidates for becoming the next chaos lord because there are A LOT of clues pointing to either of them. Yes the hero being the next chaos lord is extremely predictable and cliche but it is still no less so than King Alteon becoming one was.



Lemonus -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 16:42:47)

I think Warlic can shrug off Chaos just fine, what with the power to blow up the whole planet with the use of about 5 basic fireballs. The eyes thing could've just been due to the art change but those're just my two cents.

Still, David might just throw everyone off.
Question, would anyone expect Hans to be 13th CL? I dunno, he can sneak up on Yulgar and use every one of his legendary creations. Seems too crazy but that's the point.

Or maybe Retro Twilly.



bugattiboy91 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 16:52:29)

I doubt it's Warlic as well, but it would interesting to see how they explain an immortal being dying.



301st Legion -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 18:28:21)

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Still, David might just throw everyone off.
Question, would anyone expect Hans to be 13th CL? I dunno, he can sneak up on Yulgar and use every one of his legendary creations. Seems too crazy but that's the point.

Or maybe Retro Twilly.

Nah. Hans is a good boy. David has a shot at becoming the Chaos Lord though. I've always seen skinheads to be villainous. That skeptical face of David surely gives me the hunch that he could become the Chaos Lord. [:D]

But still, what if just as David was about to rise as the Chaos Lord, the same scenario as the Krellenos-Khasaanda happened. Sebastian strikes David down from behind, which impresses Drakath. But later on, it was revealed to be an intentional act planned by both the butler and Drakath, against David who kept insisting to be a Chaos Lord. And even creepier, we find out that Sebastian is actually Drakath's adviser whom he helped in picking all the Chaos Lords. In a final attempt to prove himself to Drakath, Sebastian becomes the last Chaos Lord.



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 18:45:54)

I still don't know how anything will go well with the scene they made where Drakath was about to tell us who it was. He says before he kills us he'll let us know who it is. Acting like it doesn't even matter and just letting us know for fun. Him saying any name just isn't going to be enough to do it justice. Making us wait forever for this finale will probably just have people disappointed if it's not something awesome.



Lemonus -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 18:47:55)

^@301st
Then plot twist: Sebastian was actually Drakath and Drakath was actually Sebastian![:D]

Indeed, Hans may be too good/innocent for that.



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 18:54:11)

One thing I don't understand is that the Mirror Realm is stated to have the 13 Lords of Order. That means the alternate version of the 13th Chaos Lord is already a Lord of Order in the Mirror Realm? But then something stated that the 13th can travel between realms. Can anybody even do that besides us?



Neilandio -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 19:03:43)

Maybe the thirteenth is both a chaos lord and a lord of order.



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 19:07:15)

That's how it always is though. Chaos Lord in our realm and Order Lord in Mirror Realm. Unless you mean both at the same time which would seem pointless. And if that's the case it would seem more likely to be us than anybody else. Hopefully they have a very good reason why the 13th Lord of Order has never been revealed and don't have to retcon a ton of things.



Red Komet -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 19:50:06)

Looks like it really did symbolize Purple as The New Black considering Mirror Drakath's Powers are completely White while Drakath's Powers are Purple and it even replaced The Black Ink in one of The Design Notes

Anyway so far we know that Order Beast 13 is an Egg which means Chaos Beast 13 is also an Egg and these beast have yet to reveal their forms



Isangman0 -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 20:10:32)

I looked at the thread again and saw that the 13th Chaos Lord can travel between the mirror realm and the original realm.

So...Mirror Drakath?



Ryu -> RE: =AQW= 13 Lords/Beasts of Chaos Discussion Thread (5/16/2014 20:15:31)

It can't be him. He's a Champion of Order/Chaos. His normal and mirror realm counterpart already know who the 13th lord is.



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