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7/8/2009 2:13:24   
PoeticSpanner
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@.Shadow//: /join #mystery (Its been mentioned in this thread and in IRC Help a bit o.O)
Post #: 651
7/8/2009 6:13:40   
Burn
Burnt!


 With the previous clue, I misunderstand the use of the clue Falerin gave us. Was it just a Red Herring? And what the heck is Fuentidesconcidi's problem anyways. Maybe its something we will need in the future?
Post #: 652
7/8/2009 7:25:41   
.Shadow//
Legendary Vampire


 Thanks PoeticSpanner!
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 653
7/8/2009 9:41:58   
tomy 2222
Member

for me, i think fuentedesconcidi means unknown source

< Message edited by tomy 2222 -- 7/8/2009 9:42:33 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 654
7/8/2009 9:46:03   
Megaket Genevus
Member

So according to all of which lordtomato had posted, The Mysterious Necromancer is back here? But wasn't he revealed to be Diviara or something like that?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 655
7/8/2009 10:29:29   
Traveler
Helpful and Constructive!


 @Burn: "Fuentidesconcidi" is a corruption of "fuente desconocida", which may mean -as I said previously- "unknown source", but also "unknown font". So Fal was giving us a clue: the message came from an undisclosed sender and was in an unknown alphabet (therefore we needed to decipher the alphabet: it was a substitution puzzle).

@Megaket: There have been -and probably there are right now- several Mysterious Necromancers. Diviara was one of them, but when his identity was revealed (and in several other occasions) he implied that the Mysterious Necromancer was an identity shared by several people (the "wearers of the Mantle").
AQ  Post #: 656
7/8/2009 12:31:27   
tomy 2222
Member

see? i was right! its good when u are good at another language
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 657
7/8/2009 15:30:21   
Megaket Genevus
Member

Ah, thanks traveler.
Maybe I should go through the devourer saga again. For reminders and fun.

Also, what is the current puzzle to be solved?
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 658
7/8/2009 19:59:17   
Rhowena
Legendary AK!!!


 We've managed to solve all of the puzzles Fal has given us so far.

As to the Mysterious Necromancer, it has been more than implied that there is more than one:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Revelations

Falerin: You are aware that the mantle is being worn by another, then...
Diviara: I am unsurprised.
Galrick: You seem pretty calm.
Diviara: The station has always been both dynamic and contested. I was neither the first, nor will my successor be the last.
Galrick: Do you know who your successor IS, then?
Diviara: No. That's the point, isn't it? You never did know. You never CAN know.
Falerin: Thus the word ''mysterious''. I gather from evidence that there were times when there were more than one at once.
Diviara: Ha. Very good, Loremaster. Very clever.
Falerin: I will take that in the kind manner you surely intended.
Diviara: At any rate, it does not matter. I have moved on.


< Message edited by Rhowena -- 7/8/2009 20:00:24 >
AQ DF  Post #: 659
7/8/2009 23:42:52   
PoeticSpanner
Member

@.Shadow//: Welcome. Hope to see ya on IRC again :)
Post #: 660
7/9/2009 4:00:11   
Dragonnightwolf
How We Roll Winner
Apr/Jun/Aug15


 I have returned and I shall attempt to catch up with all of the new mysteries which as Falerin points out, educates us in very big ways.
By the way Falerin, that quip you used on the forest and the tree, was really clever.
AQW Epic  Post #: 661
7/9/2009 5:46:59   
earth breather
Member

Id say its right handed






http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/1078/messsigntemplefin2.jpg
DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 662
7/9/2009 12:51:11   
Falerin
Legendary Loremaster


 [In Character]

The courier who was carrying this message had been vampirized but not converted. He was near death even as he arrived off the coast of Deren. He seemed utterly mad. Going on about numeric proofs. I am called to mind certain numerical puzzles but this is neither the 23 enigma nor 42. Nor even the fact that 27 is a funny number. This is some sort of cipher of that I am certain but the logic is lost upon me.

Give it your all.
[/In Character]

http://vle2.capella.edu/1171340/syctale.htm

< Message edited by Falerin -- 7/9/2009 12:54:53 >
Post #: 663
7/9/2009 12:54:42   
Goldstein
Member

Uuuuuuuuuuh...uh...hm...42?
Post #: 664
7/9/2009 12:57:15   
.Discipline
Member

Okay. So there must be a difference between the bolded and unbolded numbers in terms of importance, unless that is a red herring.

I also find it curious that the bottom of the page is signed in arabic. My arabic is still slightly rusty. Maybe Mo knows what it means. It could be vital to the puzzle.

Numerology tends to lead to me think of Hex and Dec/Char codings, I'm going to try to seperate bolded from unbolded now and run translations.

Wish me luck! ;)

< Message edited by .Discipline -- 7/9/2009 12:59:05 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 665
7/9/2009 13:08:46   
Burn
Burnt!


 The arabic translates to "Method". It can also be interpreted as any one of these.

1. style
2. manner
3. way
4. method
5. procedure
6. technique
7. mode
8. archaism
9. language
10. tone
11. flair
12. character
13. genre
14. strain
15. sort
16. pattern
17. stylization
18. regimen

Oh I get it! To solve the actual cipher text, you need to figure out what the formula bit is. So the Arabic means "method", and you have to use it.

< Message edited by Burn -- 7/9/2009 13:13:42 >
Post #: 666
7/9/2009 13:13:09   
Shawshank Redeemed
Member

It translates to "Method".(Thanks Google language tools!) These other meanings that pop up with it (method, procedure, technique) seem to suggest that the stuff below it is how you decode it.No idea what that is though, sorry.


@Falerin He dind't have his towel with him did he? Just goes to show folks, always carry a towel.

Edit:D'oh.

< Message edited by Shawshank Redeemed -- 7/9/2009 13:14:21 >
AQ  Post #: 667
7/9/2009 13:38:16   
Burn
Burnt!


 I reckon the first step we have to take is deciphering what the formula means. My theory is that the bolded numbers are already one step ahead of the unbolded ones, as if you look at the example Falerin gives us, the unbolded one leads to the bolded one. This means that for the minute we should leave the bolded ones alone, and its probably some sort of mathematical swappiness, we should work out each unbolded number and what it leads to. Thus that will be the complete ciphertext.
Post #: 668
7/9/2009 13:51:54   
.Discipline
Member

All of the UNBOLDED numeral codes are listed here:

97 115 112 116 58 97 120 58 104 104 97 118 115 116 67 58 67 115 116 115 113 117 97 120 58 104 65 117 116 97 104 115 104 115 104 97 118 117 115 116 104 76 97 116 104 97 117 112 116 115 116 104 58 76 116 116 108 97 116 116 44 97 87 104 97 116 104 115 112 116 117 115 108 87 104 97 116 104 119 97 120 58 65 112 119 117 108 108 104 115 117 104 97 115 97 115 117 108 115 119 116 104 104 117 97 97 97 97 97 115 116 115 97 115 117 108 115 119 116 104 104 115 119 115 115 115 104 97 115 107 116 104 108 97 116 104 108 58 73 116 116 104 116 116 104 115 119 97 116 104 83 85 78 68 83 71 76 85 82 71 66 85 82 66 76 83 97 115 97 120 58 87 104 117 108 116 116 104 97 116 115 97 112 58 66 97 117 115 116 104 97 115 116 108 108 119 97 116 104 97 120 58 83 117 104 97 07 108 97 115 108 116 97 116 104 58 85 115 117 97 108 108 72 119 118 73 119 97 116 116 104 87 97 112 70 116 107 119 97 120 58 77 97 119 108 108 115 112 108 97 115 119 116 104 117 117 112 108 116 58 78 97 116 104 117 104 115 104 97 59 77 97 104 97 115 116 108 118 70 108 119 108 116 116 108 115 112 70 108 73 104 97

Working on bolded codes now.
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 669
7/9/2009 14:04:50   
  Vivi
Outsmarting Bugs


 [13:59] <Vivi|AFKing> Okay, so for d(n) = n[mod(m-1)]
[13:59] <Vivi|AFKing> m-1 is a divisor of d(n)-n
[14:01] <Vivi|AFKing> And n != 0(modm-1) means d(n) is not already a divisor of m-1 at point n.
[14:01] <Vivi|AFKing> ...er, *m-1 is not already a divisor of d(n)
[14:02] <Vivi|AFKing> I think n and m represent the numerical value of each thing on the list, and its numerical position.
[14:02] <Vivi|AFKing> Not sure which is which though.

From IRC. This is my understanding of the mathematical formula we've been presented, and we're assuming the n := 0 on the second line (it's actually not := but rather three lines, but := is the only way I know to type it) to represent congruence for the time being.

Still working on what the difference is between the bolded and unbolded numbers.

< Message edited by phoenixfire555 -- 7/9/2009 14:07:36 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 670
7/9/2009 14:43:49   
Eldron
Member

Oh My! Help!. I am not a zoologist! I don't even like animals, except for Keesish of course! But he really isn't an animal, is he. Come to think of it, is he a he? Hmmm to many questions. But, I digress. This is the worst one yet! Please get right on it.



@Edit imageshack forum urls are horrible, do not use them.

Due to the problems imageshack has been having, I have uploaded the image to tinypic to ensure no problems arise. ~phoenixfire555


img43.imageshack.us/i/pictcode.jpg/
img43.imageshack.us/img43/4504/pictcode.jpg

< Message edited by phoenixfire555 -- 7/11/2009 11:26:33 >
Post #: 671
7/9/2009 15:03:43   
.Discipline
Member

quote:

19:59] <Falerin> Z
[19:59] <Discipline> Z?
[19:59] <Falerin> No not Z
[19:59] <Falerin> Z
[19:59] <ssj4_Vivi> Ah, the mysterious letter that stumps even poor Vivi.
[19:59] <Falerin> entirely different
[19:59] <Burn> Z
[19:59] <Discipline> Z or Z
[20:00] <Burn> Mebe thats means something is in reverse?
[20:00] <Discipline> Z is an N on it's side.
[20:00] <Falerin> If you cannot grasp the Z
[20:00] <Gundisalvus> ...
[20:01] <Falerin> Then thats two strikes against you already
[20:01] <Gundisalvus> Two?
[20:01] <Discipline> Falerin. All that makes me think of is Zzzzzz... Zzzzzz...
[20:01] <Falerin> two strikes for the Z
[20:01] <Falerin> one might even say the Z makes you double struck
[20:01] <Falerin> or perhaps you double struck the Z
[20:01] <Falerin> Zahlen
[20:01] *** Falerin has left #mystery


IRC log for reference's sake.

Zzzzzz... Zzzzzz... Zahlen!

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Z.html

< Message edited by .Discipline -- 7/9/2009 15:07:23 >
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 672
7/9/2009 15:05:57   
Karika
Member

I translated the individual pictures into letters (like we did with the other recent one) and got this:

spoiler:


abacacdefdadfd

ghijgkligkgkim

noponedngkojmj

fdqokfkaeimq

rosomgecmhac
AQ DF MQ AQW Epic  Post #: 673
7/9/2009 15:10:56   
  Vivi
Outsmarting Bugs


 Alright, so we've discovered the "for all x in z" thing (with a small bit of hinting from Fal >.>), it means for all integers from 0 to positive infinity. Basically:

x >= 0; d(xn) = n

Now we just need to figure out m and n so we can apply d(n)

< Message edited by phoenixfire555 -- 7/9/2009 15:11:12 >
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 674
7/9/2009 15:59:43   
Coldkick
Member

For Eldron's try the first letter of every animal. It makes a very distinctive pattern I think.
AQ DF MQ  Post #: 675
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