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4/11/2021 6:00:21   
elite dark slayer
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What strategies are people using for the Cryozen and Vilmor challenge? I've managed to beat the quartet, as well as Frostscythe etc. with Kathool Adept, but for some reason this duo seems out of my reach.
DF MQ AQW  Post #: 576
4/11/2021 6:12:02   
Dratomos
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@elite_dark_slayer The duo itself isn't that hard after you figure out the rotation these two have (check the Endgame article of the duo for help).

After stacking yourself with Ice resistance equipment, focus on taking out Cryozen first, as it's first attack can lower your Ice resistance, meaning Vilmor will take you out very fast if you let the dragon do that. You can let it hit you the first time but after make sure to shield yourself everytime.

If you Kathool Adept, the duo is very easy. Just use Writhe (aka the shield) every 4th or 5th turn and you will be fine. Having Dragon with 200 trained in Assistance makes Vilmor much more bearable.
DF  Post #: 577
4/12/2021 5:28:51   
elite dark slayer
Member

So I shouldn't try to play around the enrage mechanic by taking them both out at the same time? Currently my biggest problem is killing them both at the same time, since Vilmor tends to take damage at a much slower average rate than Cryozen.
DF MQ AQW  Post #: 578
4/12/2021 9:09:22   
Dratomos
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Not really no. Since Cryozen and Glaisaurus can lower you Ice resistance quickly, you should always take them out first (Cryozen if you are facing all 4 at the same time).

Even though Vilmor gets a huge damage boost after being enraged, she still doesn't deal that much damage if you have high Ice resistance (aka 80 or higher).
DF  Post #: 579
4/12/2021 13:00:00   
NotKun
Member
 

For Kathool and a lot of other classes with good mpm shields I would say take glai out first and then frostscythe. This is because glai provides a 50 bonus buff to everyone making your shields less consistent and its -ice is fairly desynced from cryo's. Frostscythe second because his debuffs are annoying, especially the -mpm which can once again lead to you getting hit by -ice. Finally would recommend taking out vilmor and cryo together or at the very least trying to kill vilmor before cryo. Cryo is actually the easiest one out of the 4 to play around because with a class with a good shield you can always dodge both its stun and its -ice. Its enrage is also significantly easier to deal with than Vilmors.
Post #: 580
4/19/2021 14:37:53   
DragonKeeper
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Monster/Quest
Monster/Quest Name: Displaced Fates The Professor
Character Link:47351602
Dragon Amulet (yes/no):Yes
Level: 90
Build: Underworld Epoch
Weapons Equipped: Frostscythe III
Accessories Equipped: Ancient Dragonlord Helm I, Wings of the Thousand Infernos, Defenders Dragon Necklace XXXV, Ogorek's Treasure, Elementary Unity Defender XIV, Earaglass Bracer,
Stats: INT 200/END 200/WIS 45
Pets Equipped: Kid Dragon
Previously Used Strategies: Riftwalker

Notes: The Professor keeps regenerating before I can completely diminish his HP
Post #: 581
4/19/2021 16:40:46   
NotKun
Member
 

You have to pay attention to where the Professor is in his rotation, referring to endgame wiki will significantly help. Basically on the first turn of his rotation the Professor will record your MPM and then on turns 2 and 5 in his rotation if your mpm has increased he will heal and apply a heal over time. This is when he is above 50% health, when he is below 50% health he will heal on turns 2 and 5 of his rotation if your mpm has decreased or stayed the same. Basically above 50% you need to make sure to keep your mpm at the same level on turns 2 and 5 as it was on turn 1 when he recorded the value and below 50% you need to increase your mpm on turns 2 and 5 past the level it was on turn 1 when he recorded the value.
Post #: 582
4/20/2021 0:45:21   
DragonKeeper
Member

quote:


You have to pay attention to where the Professor is in his rotation, referring to endgame wiki will significantly help. Basically on the first turn of his rotation the Professor will record your MPM and then on turns 2 and 5 in his rotation if your mpm has increased he will heal and apply a heal over time. This is when he is above 50% health, when he is below 50% health he will heal on turns 2 and 5 of his rotation if your mpm has decreased or stayed the same. Basically above 50% you need to make sure to keep your mpm at the same level on turns 2 and 5 as it was on turn 1 when he recorded the value and below 50% you need to increase your mpm on turns 2 and 5 past the level it was on turn 1 when he recorded the value.


Yes, I was going by the information at the endgame wiki with regards to the Epoch Eraglass rotation. It is supposed to work for nearly every Inn challenge. It is titled the "Ape Rotation" but I am not exactly sure what an ape rotation means... But, it was working fairly well as the professors HP was reduced to around 200 points! Then I must have made a mistake, for after a couple of more turns, the professor's HP was back to over 1000 and then the next turn or two it was like 6000 HP.

Perhaps I need to study the opponents rotations more, yes.



Post #: 583
4/20/2021 2:50:46   
NotKun
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An "ape" rotation means just use this and steamroll most fights, in this case the professors mechanics make it a little tricky and you will have to pay attention to where he is in his rotation to avoid his regen heal.
Post #: 584
5/29/2021 14:34:01   
Neros the 13th
Member

Does anyone know how to beat the lagomorph king? It's not his resist shield, it's his huge amounts of health and his stupid kneel attack. Once I loose that huge chunk of HP, I never have a chance to heal it back before he pounds me with the kneel attack again and drops me to 1 hp. Not even my most defensive classes/builds can survive against that, and if I try to go all out on damage I just die even faster! I've fought him 10 times now and never once gotten him below half health. How do you beat this guy? For context I'm level 40, I have a dragon amulet, and no dragon coins or dragon coin classes.

EDIT: Stuff I've tried includes High DEX necromancer to wear him down with DoTs, high DEX ranger with a similar strategy, tanking with Dragonlord and Guardian, and bursting with DeathKnight, Master SoulWeaver, and Technomancer (high INT and LUK). Necromancer was the most survivable but he has so much HP I was barely making a scratch on him. DeathKnight was the least successful (I don't have the gold or inventory space for the DK items but I figured it was worth a shot).

EDIT EDIT: Youtube videos often talk about resist stacking but I feel that's less useful here because there's still no way I can do enough damage to kill him before he drops me to 1 hp, and if I try to recover and defend he'll just drop me down to 1 hp again and I won't be able to do enough damage. I feel like I'm going insane.

< Message edited by Neros the 13th -- 5/29/2021 14:58:14 >
Post #: 585
5/30/2021 2:15:49   
Laeon val Observis
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@above have you tried Pirate? At your current level and based on his combat data on his page, all of the aforementioned class' blinds are able to put his Bonus into the negatives, strengthening you, plus it has a retaliator that can unload quite the damage. If you still can't beat the king with just that, supplementing classes with the Hero Diet (Seaweed and Rotten Hardtack, both can be acquired in the Drowned Fortress at no DMs usage) should do the trick as consuming foods won't use up your turn compared to a potion.

< Message edited by Laeon val Observis -- 5/30/2021 2:21:49 >
DF AQW  Post #: 586
5/30/2021 14:50:08   
Neros the 13th
Member

YES! :D Your suggestion worked PERFECTLY! Thank you so much... <3
Pirate's large amounts of -Bonus really helped keep the incoming damage down, backstab helped me keep my damage up even while I was using defensive abilities, and a 100 INT 100 LUK build helped keep up my defenses while helping me deal big criticals. I would never have thought of using food either! (I didn't even know healing foods existed...) but it saved me twice! You are the absolute best. ^_^
Post #: 587
6/1/2021 6:31:18   
DragonKeeper
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Monster/Quest Name: Drahr'Dolaas

Character Link: 47351602

Dragon Amulet (yes/no): Yes

Level: 90

Build: DeathKnight

Weapons Equipped: Relic DeathKnight Blade

Accessories Equipped: DeathKnight Gear

Stats: INT 200/END 200/ WIS 45

Pets Equipped: Kid Dragon

Previously Used Strategies: Riftwalker months ago with success

Notes: I recall beating Dolaas with Riftwalker a few months ago and then about one month later I used Eternal Epoch do win against Drahr'Hatir. I tried DeathKnight today. I was able to shield against the Dolaas nuke when I saw the warning: "about to unleash". Then a short while later, another nuke seemed to come without warning and it wiped me out with over 3.5 k of damage. I went to the endgame wiki and read that the nuke is the null element which can bypass any resistances including all resistance. Dolaas also stole my resistance which I don't remember happening previously. Then any damage from me was turned into healing for Dolaas. I would eventually like to defeat both dragons at the Inevitable Equilibriun challenge so I can upgrade my Ancient Dragonlord Helm I to the Ancient Dragonlord Helm III. It seems that this challenge is increasing in difficulty. I like playing checkers better than I like chess. What could be an alternative method for earning the Ancient Dragonlord Helm III?



< Message edited by DragonKeeper -- 6/1/2021 6:42:15 >
Post #: 588
6/1/2021 9:16:25   
Dratomos
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@DragonKeeper Both Dragons have different rotations, meaning for example Dolaas can do a evil nuke with boost or bigger null nuke with bigger boost. And during it's second phase, it can also do a Nuke. Endgame wiki has all rotations, I suggest reading those pages. Dragons and the IE are one of the hardest challenges in Inn for a reason, but they do give the Best Helm the game has to offer.

Technomancer is a good choice for Dolaas, as it can deal massive damage (Dolaas' nuke rotation will end if you deal 1/6 of it's max health before that) and can shield itself often. It is also a good choice for Inevitable Equilibrium, especially if you have any of the DragonKnight weapons (level 10 version are the cheapest and use those, as level doesn't matter but the effect does) and C7 or maxed EUD.

If you can use EE well, use that instead for Dolaas and IE. Due to Epoch lowering enemy's avoidance and increasing it's bonus to hit, it can hit Dolaas even when it has Whenshield.

And your Dragon should be trained with 200 in Protection/Fighting/Assistance.
DF  Post #: 589
6/1/2021 13:49:57   
DragonKeeper
Member

Thank you Dratomos for the helpful reply.

I looked at the endgame wiki again. Dolaas has 19 different attacks and several combinations or rotations of those attacks. Thankfully, Dolaas does not regenerate.

quote:

(Dolaas' nuke rotation will end if you deal 1/6 of it's max health before that)


Dealing 1/6 of Dolaas max health is about 3,561... and it will use weaker abilities for six turns. I am assuming that its nuke rotation will return after the six turns are complete.

The endgame wiki offers no possible strategies for the player, but instead, just lists the abilities of the various challenges and monsters.



Post #: 590
6/1/2021 14:31:01   
Dratomos
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It's hard to recommend a strategy for these dragons, as it is mostly coinflip which rotation they will do next. And it is quite a lot of work to write a strategy for all these possible combinations.

And the wiki is still quite helpful. If you know the rotation of the monsters, you can use classes abilities accordingly

If you have Technomancer with DragonKnight weapon slotted as special, it can easily deal 1/6 of Dolaas' health in 5 turns or less.
DF  Post #: 591
6/2/2021 3:46:49   
DragonKeeper
Member

quote:

If you have Technomancer with DragonKnight weapon slotted as special, it can easily deal 1/6 of Dolaas' health in 5 turns or less.


I just beat Dolaas with Technomancer but I forgot all about the DragonKnight weapons. I was able to instinctively time the shields in order to avoid several nukes. Or it was pure luck...



Post #: 592
7/4/2021 8:58:24   
Plutonium
Member

Monster/Quest

Monster/Quest Name: Noxus, Claw of the Necropolis
Character Link: https://account.dragonfable.com/CharPage?id=46482790
Dragon Amulet (yes/no): Yes
Level: 90
Build: Mage/Chaosweaver
Weapons Equipped: Exatled Apotheosis w Lucky Hammer (shown)
Accessories Equipped: Doomknight Helm + Cloak, Relic Deathknight Amulet + Belt, Mechanical Ring VII, Uaanta's Blaster IV (Amalgam), Legion Bracer
Stats: INT + END: 200 & WIS: 45
Pets Equipped: Avalon (pet dragon)
Previously Used Strategies: Dmk v2, Ranger, & Chaosweaver (curently)
Notes: Dark or All Resist stacking?

EDIT I: "ITS DINNERTIME!" just beat Noxus

< Message edited by Plutonium -- 7/4/2021 9:19:48 >
DF  Post #: 593
7/6/2021 10:48:36   
Plutonium
Member

Monster/Quest

Monster/Quest Name: Unending Empires
Character Link: https://account.dragonfable.com/CharPage?id=46482790
Dragon Amulet (yes/no): Yes
Level: 90
Build: Mage, Chaosweaver, Doomknight v2
Weapons Equipped: Exalted Apotheosis w Staff of the North (shown)
Accessories Equipped: Doomknight Helm + Cape, Relic Deathknight Amulet + Belt, Mechanical Ring VII, Uaanta's Blaster IV (Amalgam), Legion Bracer + 5 Potions & Hero's Diet
Stats: DEX: 200, END: 197 + CHA: 48 & INT + END: 200 + WIS: 45 (for this latest run)
Pets Equipped: Avalon (Pet Dragon)
Previously Used Strategies: Doomknight v2 a bunch of times, Ranger, Necro Paragon
Notes: N/A (for now)

EDIT I
:
EDIT II:
EDIT III: SCREW IT!
EDIT IV: now I feel like throwing something
EDIT V: SCREW IT!!
EDIT VI: "ITS DINNERTIME!" FINALLY beat Unending Empires

< Message edited by Plutonium -- 7/22/2021 17:12:15 >
DF  Post #: 594
7/7/2021 4:02:44   
Laeon val Observis
Member
 

@Above have you tried the techno method? Astral and Korriban has videos for both options (Sek 1st, Noxus last and vice versa). Otherwise, perhaps Necro (200 DEX/ED, 45 WIS) can have a shot at them. My technique involved the Sek 1st method, mostly facetanking his attacks and scrambling his shields with Terror. What I didn't do that might conserve pots and Hero Diets is that when Noxus is about to nuke, use the blind to mess him up when your shields are cooling down. Once Sek is out, do the usual edging play against Noxus as much as possible by switching to Uragiri every once in a while. Do note that you have to maintain Uragiri once he's in range to be killed by a Seed combo. For my dragon stats, its 200 PROT/AST/FIT.

< Message edited by Laeon val Observis -- 7/7/2021 4:05:05 >
DF AQW  Post #: 595
7/7/2021 11:48:59   
Plutonium
Member

@Leon: Don't have access to Techno, Pipe Dreams annoys me. Necro might work though
DF  Post #: 596
7/8/2021 5:52:38   
moe
Member

What're the best classes for the fallen purpose challenge? Ranger? Techno?
AQW  Post #: 597
7/8/2021 7:05:33   
Roxas45
Member

Okay. So I'm putting in a couple of requests..

1) Monster/Quest Name: Unfortunate Souls Inn At the end of time Challenge --> Egomaniacs on the Floor (Xan AND Vaal)
Character Link: ID: 5167973 (Or, check my DF profile in my forum profile)
Dragon Amulet (yes/no): Yes
Level: 68 (Currently, but farming levels to reach 70 atm as well)
Build: Warrior Mostly (Items more geared towards Hybrid build)
Weapons Equipped: Ultimate Dragon Scythe of Elementals (Lv 60)
Accessories Equipped: Lagohmcraft Protector (Vind) III; Unhallowed Deathknight Circlet; Atleala Soldier's Helm V; Akriloth's Bane III; Uaanta's Blaster III (Amalgam); Leechscale Binding IV
Stats:
STR: 200 + 50
DEX: 0 + 39
INT: 0 + 39
CHA: 0 + 21
LUK: 0 + 25
END: 70 + 32
WIS: 65 + 28
Pets Equipped: 100 Prot Dragon
Previously Used Strategies: With Vaal solo, I'd used Technomancer, and SOMEHOW won. And With Xan, I'd used Chaosweaver, and I dont remember how I won there either. For the double battle I've used Technomancer (With AstralCodex's Strategy from some of their youtube videos), and Paladin. No luck with Chaosweaver at ALL.
Notes: I'm currently looking to see if theres any way of winning this with my current set up, and if not, what can I do.
Weapons I own I'll mostly upgrade as I reach level 70, but I have no idea what to do regarding the accessories.
As for the technomancer thing...
Avoidance Then All De-Resist, then Metal Tog Buff, then Damage, then Stun, then rinse, lather repeat, as and where and when how. If I'm stuck without a shield or a stun active, then I use my pet dragon for it's stuns and/or shield (100 prot isnt great... but its better than nothing currently).
I've also been told that I should be ignoring Xan till I've dealt with Vaal, and thats what I've been trying till now.


2) Monster/Quest Name: Nefarious Challenges Inn At the end of time Challenge --> Crawler and Centaur
Character Link: ID: 5167973 (Or, check my DF profile in my forum profile)
Dragon Amulet (yes/no): Yes
Level: 68 (Currently, but farming levels to reach 70 atm as well)
Build: Warrior Mostly (Items more geared towards Hybrid build)
Weapons Equipped: Ultimate Dragon Scythe of Elementals (Lv 60)
Accessories Equipped: Lagohmcraft Protector (Vind) III; Unhallowed Deathknight Circlet; Atleala Soldier's Helm V; Akriloth's Bane III; Uaanta's Blaster III (Amalgam); Leechscale Binding IV
Stats:
STR: 200 + 50
DEX: 0 + 39
INT: 0 + 39
CHA: 0 + 21
LUK: 0 + 25
END: 70 + 32
WIS: 65 + 28
Pets Equipped: 100 Prot Dragon
Previously Used Strategies: I managed to beat the Crawler using the Chaosweaver class, and then the Centaur using the Technomancer I believe.. Its been some time, but I think that was it.
For the double battle, I've been told that you should focus on the Crawler first, and stun the centaur when possible, because of its building attack. But that DOT from the centaur - I'm not able to dodge/stop that consistently in the ways of stuns, avoidances, or anything else like that. Usually THAT is the thing that kills me, not their combined attacks.
I've tried Necromancer class as well, but, again.. Not consistent. Its Healing is somewhat lacking, not to mention the Shield that gives you +140 defense against the last known attack (It used to heal me at one point, not its reduced it to single digits alone).
AQ DF MQ AQW  Post #: 598
7/8/2021 8:59:28   
Fire alandry
Member

@moe
I don't know if it's the best class, but BDL worked wonderful for me. I did the challenge 3 times in the last 24 hours (I have 2 Doom weapons, and in the second time the server failed when I tried to keep the "purpose and Intent" resource )
200 Dex/End, enough Cha for 50 threshold with equipment (unnecessary) and Wis. Dragon: 200 pro/fight/magic.
Each rotation, alternate between Darkness and eWind to avoid Draco's Claw (with MPM/BPD/Light). Use Earth/Scales/Ice+ res stacking to survive the nukes. The +8 all from eClaw is also useful. This is the strategy in a nutshell.
I messed a little bit in the first two rounds, so:
1: 1 health potion, 1 food
2: 1 potion
3: 0.
DF  Post #: 599
7/9/2021 8:48:30   
moe
Member

Ok but what're the best equipment to have both darkness and evil resistances?
AQW  Post #: 600
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