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10/7/2024 10:45:59   
  Lorekeeper
And Pun-isher

 

 Hello everyone! To improve spellcaster lean coverage, I'd like to ask for your feedback about armors that are obviously designed with a spellcasting style, but have a neutral lean. After gathering a list, I'll be able to change them to Spellcaster Lean and submit the changes to the team for revision. Conditionally, I may note offensive lean armors as well, but only if the lean is clearly at cross-purposes for the item's design.

This is not a thread to request full item redesigns. There hasn't been time to onboard me on item design; changing leans is generally a trivial variable change. The point of this thread is to keep to that change in order to improve coverage without adding more work to Ianthe and Kamui's plates. It's essentially just an attempt to help both them and spellcasting players by tweaking what I'm able to in my free time. The only change I can implement myself is the change to Spellcaster Lean, please don't ask for other revamps.

In addition, we will not be changing Bloodmage armors into the new Spellcaster Lean. Their design is intentional, paying a different kind of risk for their output, and we do NOT want to give them a major jump in power creep. Please do not suggest them.

Please follow these rules when replying:

  • Only suggest that are currently available and cover the full range of levels. No-drops are excluded, as they will need an outright revamp and such is beyond the scope of this thread.
  • Don't suggest items that would lose their style if changed to a spellcaster lean. I won't take items away from one build to give them to another.
  • If the item is offensive and not neutral, please make sure it's a non-premium item with a clear spellcasting aesthetic.
  • Please keep suggestions to a single reply per user and use the following template for each item: 

    [b]Item:[/b]
[b]Item location:[/b]
[b]Current Lean:[/b]



    < Message edited by Lorekeeper -- 10/11/2024 20:14:45 >
    • Post #: 1
    10/7/2024 11:28:30   
    neswii
    Member

    		Item: Demonmancer Plate
    Item location: UR GGB
    Current Lean: Neutral

    Item: Armor of Llyr
    Item location: Celtic Set
    Current Lean: FD

    Item: Chronomancer Z
    Item location: Ztoken Shop
    Current Lean: Neutral
    (Also needs its level tiers updated but meh)

    These next ones are HUGE asks, but…
    Item: Arcane Ultraguardian Robes/Insightful Armor of Awe/Cloth Robes
    Item location: Guardian/Guardian/Adventurer No-Drop
    Current Lean: FO/FD/Neutral

    Item: Champion Holy Arcanist - FO toggle
    Item location: Paladin Class
    Current Lean: FO

    (Will update as I think of more)

    < Message edited by neswii -- 10/8/2024 11:04:47 >
    Post #: 2
    10/7/2024 11:32:13   
    Telcontar Arvedui I
    Member

    		Item: Muscle Mage
    Item location: Void Boss Wabio
    Current Lean: FO
    Infosubs link: http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=22392256

    < Message edited by Telcontar Arvedui I -- 10/7/2024 11:33:04 >
    AQ  Post #: 3
    10/7/2024 12:54:44   
    1stClassGenesis
    Member

    		Item: Geocastellum Robes
    Item location: Geocastellum Set
    Current Lean: FD

    Item: Taladosian Robes
    Item location: Taladosian Set
    Current Lean: FO

    Not quite, but hopefully worth a consideration:

    Item: Dark Invader
    Item location: StarSlayer
    Current Lean: FO

    Item: Grenwog Rider
    Item location: Golden Giftboxes
    Current Lean: FO
    Post #: 4
    10/7/2024 12:59:23   
    CH4OT1C!
    Member

    		Item: Lightbringer Form
    Item Location: Lightbringer Shapeshift
    Current Lean: MO

    Item: Khandie's Gown
    Item Location: Snugglefest 2019: Obsession
    Current Lean: FO

    Item: Chilly Form
    Item location: Rare GGB
    Current Lean: FD. I recognise this may be considered too risky given (i) it could be viewed as removing an option from FD and (ii) SC lean may not affect healing in future, subject to further discussion. However, it could help to boost the healing power of this Armour.

    Item: Hare Raiser Magician
    Item Location: Grenwog Egg Shop
    Current Lean: FO

    Will add more as I find them.



    < Message edited by CH4OT1C! -- 10/7/2024 14:36:44 >
    AQ  Post #: 5
    10/7/2024 13:39:15   
    Mananite
    Member

    		Item: Celtic Armour
    Item location: Celtic MC Set
    Current Lean: Fully-Defensive

    Item: Lightbringer Form
    Item location: Gnuvain's Abode
    Current Lean: MO (was supposed to be changed to FO, but ran into issues and has been put into the proverbial backburner?)

    Item: (Twisted) Cleric of Carnafex
    Item location: UR GGB
    Current Lean: Fully-Offensive

    Item: Demonmancer Plate
    Item location: UR GGB
    Current Lean: Neutral

    Item: Light Lord's Cleric
    Item location: UR GGB
    Current Lean: Neutral

    Item: Chilly Form
    Item location: Rare GGB
    Current Lean: Fully-Defensive

    Item: Knight of the Fire Orb
    Item location: Frostval 2014
    Current Lean: Fully-Defensive

    Item: Khandie's Gown
    Item location: Snugglefest 2019
    Current Lean: Fully-Offensive

    Item: Hare Raiser Magician
    Item location: Grenwog Festival
    Current Lean: Fully-Offensive

    (as an aside, this thread really showcases the issues in retrofitting things to be spellcaster, given the distinct lack of modern armours that fit the mold, made worse with the implementation of non-knight armour art being tied to GGBs)

    < Message edited by Mananite -- 10/7/2024 16:17:06 >
    Post #: 6
    10/7/2024 14:29:39   
      Lorekeeper
    And Pun-isher

     

    		 Edited the first rule to preclude no-drops and lift the non-seasonal restriction.

  • Only suggest that are currently available and cover the full range of levels. No-drops are excluded, as they will need an outright revamp and such is beyond the scope of this thread.

    < Message edited by Lorekeeper -- 10/7/2024 14:44:26 >
    • Post #: 7
    10/7/2024 15:39:38   
    Sapphire
    Member

    		Item: Seraphim of Ver
    Item location:UR GGB
    Current Lean:FD


    Based on art,

    Item:Frostgal's Legacy
    Item location: Frostgal MC Quest
    Current Lean: Already contains a toggle and doesn't have to be made, but FO with a Neutral Toggle, which forces the armor to use a 100 proc attack. I propose this to be SC and FD instead of FO and N (FD enables 100 proc mode)


    Item:Baby Sacragon Shapeshift Armor
    Item location:From a shapeshift spell in Gnuvain's Abode
    Current Lean: FO


    Item:Lightbringer Form
    Item location:Shapeshift Spell from Gnuvain's Abode
    Current Lean: Mid Offensive


    Item:Banshee Armor
    Item location:Shapeshift Spell from Gnuvain's Abode
    Current Lean:Nuetral



    Item: Ebony Sepulchre Form
    Item location: Z token armor shop
    Current Lean:Nuetral








    < Message edited by Sapphire -- 10/10/2024 9:10:13 >
    Post #: 8
    10/7/2024 23:37:17   
    The Shadowmaster
    Member
     

    		 Item: Demonmancer
    Item Location: Ultra rare GGB
    Current Lean: Neutral

    Item: Hare Raiser Magician
    Item Location: Grenwog Egg Shop
    Current Lean: FO
    (Add toggle maybe for FO and SC. Maybe when the egg is toggled)

    Item: Spark of Serenity
    Item Location: Harvest fest 2018
    Current Lean: Neutral
    (No light SC that is not GGB and not seasonal)

    < Message edited by The Shadowmaster -- 10/8/2024 6:54:04 >
    Post #: 9
    10/8/2024 11:00:11   
      Lorekeeper
    And Pun-isher

     

    		 As a reminder, folks, this is for armors with a single lean, and I cannot implement a toggle. Please read the main post.
    Post #: 10
    10/9/2024 21:29:22   
    NightofLight
    Member
     

    		 Item:Red Pirate Costume
    Item location:Talk Like A Pirate
    Current Lean:Neutral

    Item:Banshee Form
    Item location:Banshee Shapeshift/Gnuvain's Abode
    Current Lean:Neutral

    Item:Chronomancer Z
    Item location:Z-token Items Shop
    Current Lean:Neutral

    Item:Falerin's Bespoke Bedizen
    Item location:Bizarre Flecks III Part 4 - The Journey Home
    Current Lean:Neutral


    < Message edited by NightofLight -- 10/9/2024 21:52:30 >
    AQ  Post #: 11
    10/10/2024 20:39:22   
    Grace Xisthrith
    Member
     

    		 Item: Devilish
    Item location: Warlic's Shop / Yulgar's Shop
    Current Lean: FO

    Item: Bland Truphma Suit
    Item location: Truphma Saga: Isles of Drudgery
    Current Lean: Neutral / None

    Item: Offensive Test Armor
    Item location: Ballyhoo Post Ad Shop
    Current Lean: Offensive

    Item: Osiris Armor
    Item location: Osiris Set
    Current Lean: FO

    Item: Stiltwalker
    Item location: Zorbak: Jypley's Believe it... or Rot
    Current Lean: Neutral / None

    Item: Hunter Armor
    Item location: Robina: Hunted!
    Current Lean: FO

    Please let me know if any of the following three sections aren't fit for the thread. I will remove them if so. Thank you kindly for considering these updates :)
    Brief rationale: None of these armors have skills of any kind except Hunter Armor. I would like to add support for Celtic Armor, Muscle Mage, Lightbringer Form, Red Pirate Costume. Devilish would be compression SC, has no real purpose as FO, and is "from" Warlic's shop. Bland Truphma Suit has no purpose and would serve as quick SC earth, unlike eternal champ, which has 3 Prereq quests. Offensive test armor has no purpose (Axemaster's Burden is accessible FO wind as well), and despite the irony in the name, would be convenient. Mostly useless if Fungi is released as written, but not if Fungi comes with defensive downsides of any sort to pay for its effects. Osiris has no purpose, and would serve as dedicated light SC. Stiltwalker has no purpose, and would serve as compression SC. Hunter Armor has a small purpose as the only FO earth energy compression armor, but compression SC would be nice, + has built in spell type skill. Extra note: Devilish, Bland Truphma, and Stiltwalker, are max level 145, 146, and 145 respectively. This is less than a 5% drop in item power compared to 150, so I view it as a non issue.

    Brief statements of current niches armors other players have suggested currently have, and would lose if swapped to SC lean:
    Geocastellum robes: FD basic attack hitcount, since it's 3, but a small niche to lose (would lose FD set theme though IDC about that personally). Khandie's Gown: FO Fire dark compression (tiny bit different from Devilish, although the same could be said of Devilish). Hare Raiser Magician: FO water basic attack hitcount of 3. Banshee Shapeshift: Very technically perm available dark hitcount of 3 if I'm not missing anything. Very technically as its neutral. Spark of Serenity: Unique triple compression that isn't FO.

    Separately as a question, if I read the current thread rules correctly, several items should be disqualified by one of the rules "If the item is offensive and not neutral, please make sure it's a non-seasonal gold item" (Demonmancer, Muscle Mage, Dark Invader, Grenwog Rider, Khandie's Gown, Chilly Form?, Hare Raiser Magician, Cleric of Carnafex, Light Lord's Cleric, Knight of the Fire Orb?, Seraphim of Ver?, Ebony Sepulchre Form, Chronomancer Z). I don't intend to point this out to be annoying or disruptive, I mainly aim to ask if we're supposed to strictly stick to the rules on the initial post, or if it's okay to also list desired armors even if they aren't allowed by the rules, for feedback purposes / showing player interest in specific items.


    < Message edited by Grace Xisthrith -- 10/10/2024 20:41:06 >
    AQ  Post #: 12
    10/11/2024 20:14:15   
      Lorekeeper
    And Pun-isher

     

    		 The rules are there to be followed, and the purpose of the thread is to improve permanent coverage. However, in the case of this thread specifically, I'm willing to relax that restriction on account of the very limited amount of spellcaster aesthetic gear that doesn't predate the lean system entirely. Changed the rule to:

  • If the item is offensive and not neutral, please make sure it's a non-premium item with a clear spellcasting aesthetic.

    < Message edited by Lorekeeper -- 10/11/2024 20:15:14 >
    • Post #: 13
    10/26/2024 0:11:16   
    BlitzAegis
    Member

    		Item: Radiant Winged Guardian
    Item location: Guardian Shop
    Current Lean: N

    This armor if ever revisited for update, would be beneficial as purely a SC or FO armor due to the skill following wep element and type.
    Post #: 14
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