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3/14/2013 0:40:29   
  Exploding Penguin
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 So I'm hosting a 1v1 tourney, and my goal is to create a tourney where the rules limit ED to maximized skill and minimized luck. However, I don't know whether or not I've done enough to ensure that... how would you go about minimalizing luck and maximizing skill?

The current rules are:
-Focus builds only
-You can only have one passive invested in (except for select classes) [This is to prevent SA being used, as well as to make the overall tournament more interesting]
-Swarm is banned, as well as concussive shot
-Frostbite aura and Curse aura are banned
-Best 3 out of 5
-No stun cores or stun skills at all

I really wanted to ban the 4% crit cores and the armor passive cores, but most people already have those cores implemented into all of their weapons. I'm really interested in seeing what other people think of how ED could be made to have the main required skill being strategy.
Epic  Post #: 1
3/14/2013 9:49:30   
zzzz....
Member
 
quote:

The current rules are:
-Focus builds only
-You can only have one passive invested in (except for select classes) [This is to prevent SA being used, as well as to make the overall tournament more interesting]
-Swarm is banned, as well as concussive shot
-Frostbite aura and Curse aura are banned
-Best 3 out of 5
-No stun cores or stun skills at all


i think i'm not going to be in but what about :
1. azareal will / torment.
2. rage stealing skills (surgical / platinum's pride).

it wont be a good idea to allow some while forbidding some other skills.


< Message edited by zzzz.... -- 3/14/2013 9:50:28 >
Post #: 2
3/14/2013 19:32:23   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 I forgot to mention I banned azrael's will and azrael's torment. Removing platinum's pride is worth considering, but definitely not surgical strike.
Epic  Post #: 3
3/14/2013 19:50:21   
Mother1
Member

@ exploding

What about the azreal's borg? It is basically the same as azreal's torment or rather azreal's torment is the same as the azreal's borg's super just less damage.
Epic  Post #: 4
3/14/2013 21:17:56   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 I removed azrael's will and azrael's torment because they did considerable damage while arguably being better than energy shot or concussive shot. I wouldn't ban heart attack as it sacrifices your bot to cooldown and does minimal damage.
Epic  Post #: 5
3/14/2013 21:41:37   
Mother1
Member

Had to ask for two reasons.

1 As I stated Azreal's torment and heart attack were basically the same effect

2 Was thinking about entering myself, and was wonder if I did would I be without my right hand bot.
Epic  Post #: 6
3/14/2013 21:48:31   
aomont
Member

Side question:
quote:

So I'm hosting a 1v1 tourney, and my goal is to create a tourney...

What do you mean by hosting a tourney ?
Epic  Post #: 7
3/14/2013 23:55:31   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 The tourney information is here:
http://forums2.battleon.com/f/tm.asp?m=18560838&mpage=5&key=

@mother1: Given you have to use a focus build and that aux damage was nerfed, sacrificing your bot to cooldown when using heart attack in comparison to using an aux which isn't nearly as important as an offensive tool is far more severe, therefore azrael's borg shouldn't be banned, but azrael's torment should.
Epic  Post #: 8
3/15/2013 14:40:59   
  RabbleFroth
Member

Neat, good luck with the tourny!

I'm curious about this topic as well.
Don't want to hijack the thread, but I will keep an eye on this one.
Post #: 9
3/15/2013 15:44:51   
The Incredible Hulk
Banned

 

 O_O.

I bet Rabble will make a tourney for everyone based on rules ;O.


I hope you hi-jack the thread ;P.
Epic  Post #: 10
3/15/2013 15:49:26   
Cookielord12
Member

Less nerfs. Nerfs are just restricting creativity. If we buff, then it makes more builds feasible and be on par with Str and Sup.
AQ DF AQW Epic  Post #: 11
3/18/2013 16:05:23   
Hard boy
Member

25 march O.O make it 20th.
Epic  Post #: 12
3/18/2013 19:34:02   
Stabilis
Member

Rabblefroth,

If I so wished to setup a tournament between... 4 people, and I was dealing with dishonesty such as:

"I won"

"No way n00b I won"

"What the truck man I totally beat you with my Sidearm"

"Lol OK kid pretend I didn't just pwn you with Massacre"

What can we do? Can you implement something to visually show the results of a challenge battle between 2 players?
AQ Epic  Post #: 13
3/21/2013 17:43:14   
Thylek Shran
Member

Concussive Shot actually is a tactical and not only a lucky skill.
It does reduced damage and the user has the risk of putting
the wrong skill on cooldown. I think that its one of the better
cores because you have to choose wisely when to use it.
I think that this core is pretty good balanced and brings in
more dynamic.

< Message edited by Thylek Shran -- 3/21/2013 17:46:44 >

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DF Epic  Post #: 14
3/21/2013 19:48:56   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Thylek: You do make a point, but in a lot of fights I'm in when concussive shot is used as a turning point in the game, it only works when it strikes heal or plasma bolt if I'm a caster build. If it doesn't strike heal, I pretty much win, but if it does, it's a near guaranteed loss. Therefore, even though it has tactical applications, it can still determine the winner largely based off of on-demand RNG luck.

By the way, I have a small amount of applicants, and I could really use more! The tournament is in 4 days, so PM me if you want to sign up.

< Message edited by Exploding Penguin -- 3/21/2013 19:49:48 >
Epic  Post #: 15
3/21/2013 20:08:01   
Yo son
Member

wait are you being serious? this is a real tourney?
Post #: 16
3/21/2013 21:05:39   
Wootz
Member

Personally, in my opinion everyone should just use a sword and one of the armours. Static skills on swords, I don't see why forbidding that would help.
And, isn't a strategic battle a battle which has to involve the maximum number of elements?
AQW Epic  Post #: 17
3/21/2013 21:58:43   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @wootz: I couldn't explicitly ban shadow arts cause that would be unfair to hunters since they would only gain access to one of their passives. Therefore, I banned a single passive for all classes. I don't recall forbidding any static skills on swords, on passive ones, so I must be missing something here.

@yo son: It's not sponsored by the staff of ED, so there's no prize, but I decided to host one for fun. If you want to sign up, you have to PM me.
Epic  Post #: 18
3/21/2013 22:16:28   
Wootz
Member

Frostbite and Curse are static in use, aren't they?
And my point was, banning half of the game won't lead to more strategy, just cutting down the decisive elements, so that raw power can cut through the rest. That is pretty much a Strenght-Support build.
AQW Epic  Post #: 19
3/21/2013 22:56:36   
King FrostLich
Member

Double everyone's health. End of statement.
Epic  Post #: 20
3/22/2013 0:42:41   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 @Wootz: I didn't ban frostbite and curse; I banned frostbite/curse aura because their activation is totally random
Epic  Post #: 21
3/22/2013 6:01:39   
Wootz
Member

You do realize that people don't own other armours?
Still, that means even less strategy.
AQW Epic  Post #: 22
3/22/2013 20:54:30   
  Exploding Penguin
Moderator


 That's their loss if they own only those armors. While I want as many participants as possible, I want to keep the tournament as anti-luck based as I possibly can. It isn't strategy to kill someone because they intimidate you or something, and lose their heal to frostbite cause of it since they were affected by frostbite aura.
Epic  Post #: 23
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