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Rhowena -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 4:15:16)

I put all of the available information relating to the puzzle we are currently working on in the fifth post of this page; if you want to help then please at least read the rest of the thread before asking for help.




Lkeas -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 4:20:38)

Duplexing the method used on the Braille cipher would seem straightforward enough at first glance... but why is nothing working?

The original method was shifting the alphabet by one step after each character including spaces and punctuation but eliminating spaces when possessive form was used, or something like that. One of the definitions for "duplex" is "twofold," so perhaps we needed to shift by two steps after each character... but nothing coherent is coming out of this method.

Another idea was to run the entire thing through twice - so shift the whole message one step at a time and then take the resulting code and run it through again. But once more nothing resembling words has appeared.

Some other cryptonauts suggested another definition of "duplex" which is used in telecommunications, where a signal flows in both directions at the same time. We tried a mixture of two alphabet shifts, one starting from a and one from z and mixed together like so:

azbycxdwevfugthsirjqkplommnnolpkqjrishtgufvewdxcybza

No luck.

We've considered that the coded message may be backwards as well, and ran the same tests on it both ways. Still nothing! I'm going to bed [:'(]




raven of honor -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 5:33:18)

Im confused what are we supposed to do here?!?!?!?!??




Rozion -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 5:39:01)

i dont even understand rhowenas description of how to do this...oh noes! brain! dont explode! NOOOOOOOOOOO!




mpkillah of AQ -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 11:39:17)

wheres the puzzle? ive trying to keep up but a lot to read and remember




Eldron -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 12:11:00)

I'd give you all a hand for a job well done, but I appear to have misplaced mine.

I will tell you this, someone already solved the second step of the hand puzzle, but can you solve the last few steps?


Tick tock, tick tock.




sam_sdc -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 12:20:16)

The Latin root for duplex is: duo (two) + plico (fold together). Perhaps we need to combine, or fold together two keys? I tried "folding together" the original key and got acbccbdaeyfygwhvjukqlpmn, but this doesn't seem to work either.




goron link8 -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 12:23:20)

eldron does that mean someone already solved the first step also[sm=icon_question.gif][sm=sad-smiley-006.gif][sm=sad-smiley-006.gif]


Indeed!




shadowball31 -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 12:24:00)

ok well its good to see that its a new day and i can get back to working on the puzzle but eldron what do you mean who solved te second step?

who was it and what did they do? was it one of us three(nabsol, rhowena, me?)




Belek -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 12:30:01)

what puzzle




Zeth147 -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 12:39:39)

When you translate them, do they all come out as capital letters...?
Also what ciphers have we tried so far, just to be caught up.




shadowball31 -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 13:08:07)

if you read the fifth post you would know which cipher have been used\

also i dont understand all of the spoilers at the post part near the beginning that rhowena has a link to posted as (the 14th here)




Verlyrus -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 13:17:34)

Surprisingly, I don't have much to contribute at this time. Perhaps the second step was converting to ASCII? Which we knew we already did, and which renders Eldron's clue kinda obnoxious.

quote:

Tick tock, tick tock.


Ahh... Maybe alternate one alphabet going forwards and one going backwards...
i.e. azbycxdwevfugt...etc.?

Good Luck! kinda busy today.. :/

EDIT: or even the other way around, i.e. zaybxc etc.




Traveler -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 13:32:34)

Maybe the step we got right is one of the keys we've tried? Perhaps we still have to something else after that...




Coldkick -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 18:23:51)

I know what the tick tock means. It was one of the keyless ciphers! I don't remember it's name but Lkeas would know. It was a circle with another circles inside.




Gundisalvus -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 18:34:47)

Edit:Oh yes, that's right, it was Alberti. I'd love to offer more help, but the chat is... acting stupid for me.




goron link8 -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 18:37:40)

@eldron you still haven't ansewred my question
is it because that would give us a clue or are you simply ignoring me

I did answer you, see your original post.




Coldkick -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 18:45:11)

It's the Alberti Cipher.

Alberti Disk

Another Version

I think its Alberti because it is round like a clock, It is Duplex (has two rings stacked) and you find the letters by rotating the disc clockwise once each time. Oh and its keyless.




death ray218 -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 22:57:52)

umm.... what does he mean by puzzles in the first post?




Gundisalvus -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/4/2009 23:00:25)

By "puzzles" he means puzzles. I'm certain you are familiar with the word.




Eldron -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/5/2009 10:15:45)

[&o]




Coldkick -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/5/2009 10:33:20)

@Eldron we are completely off track?




Megaket Genevus -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/5/2009 10:41:19)

Guys, think outside the box...

You might come up with something, for I am not. But it's still one thing you could try doing.

That's right.

Think outside the box...




hellblade124 -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/5/2009 10:52:00)

i think i got it

797-796-38
778487
83707-58971
8477-714881
8748-8268656589-787674
8477
67-847970-7890827-469

these are the numbers now its time for me to figure out if there is some type of code with this




Erason -> RE: =WF= A Final Mystery (7/5/2009 11:03:16)

Whats the puzzle? Something to do with numbers?




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