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Xendran -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 18:55:14)

Shouldn't a cristmas event focus on giving to the players, not asking for money from them?
Vindictus is offering 5 free enhancement runes as one of the rewards (which cost $4 each) for their christmas event, and 5 free enhancement runes as a reward for another event non christmas related. This gives every player the ability to easy get $40 of free items per character.



Lord Nub -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 18:56:44)

@JZaanu,

I was following Mokta during his ED bailout and I believe it's 150k and considering Buffy is a Frysteland Field Commander I believe that was at 100k considering she's just above 130k atm.



goldslayer1 -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 18:59:04)

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So varium players can get the obvious advantage since their bomb supply doesn't rely on beating NPCs? Only thing limiting NPCs would do is cause all non variums to have a max score they can reach and that would be NPC score+super crit on each bomb, 1 from each NPC win. Limiting the battles does nothing to help the game. If it does then why is 1vs1 not limited?

whats the point of doing NPCs then?
u get nothing from them aside from 20 points.
and they can be beatened by bombs easily.
either remove bombs from the equation or make the NPCs give a win at the most. (maybe just a win and no credit or token?)



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 19:02:31)

@Gold having the NPC give a win does not affect that Money is going to win this war in the least.

I was talking to Skr33ch and i more or less said every NPC should be like these save they should give half the amount of credits they give now.

i also said that the harder NPC's should drop more bombs, they prolly already do that and no one notices it but if they don't it should be more reward for harder work



Elf Priest JZaanu -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 19:21:46)

Thank You much Lord Nub for the info.


The other aspect that is not discussed is monies received beyond pvp that does not affect the game. This is the second feature (housing first) like this since it does not affect pvp/wd. If players can think of alternatives where varium can be used and not disrupt the flow of play, pls. do introduce them into the suggestions thread.


Many are not happy, because non-varium players are competing with and against varium players. How does one separate it? Varium players will have every possible advantage in terms of speed and strength.

As of now, Mokta is representing Legion, and Buffy is representing Exile. Both are doing fabulous, and I am proud of both of them. Them taking the first step into a new element this game is needed, and I highly respect it.

Players who play, they play and pay for the advantage. And right now, the last portions of this thread is basically about having the advantage or not.

I am happy for this release, and I am happy for the contest for the homes. Homes were a non-pvp feature that cost varium. Right now homes don't give anyone an advantage, so some deem them as a waste. For me personally, I was extremely happy this feature was introduced because it was the building blocks for community building, and this release is not only about bomb dropping advantage, but also connecting the community from high levels to the new players who just started.

So if there is a feature you think one would love to pay for and does not give anyone an advantage, please introduce this into the suggestions thread. If not, being bitter about a very exclusive achievement is worthless.




IsaiahtheMage -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 19:28:02)

@Xendran But we already are giving! Were giving them our almost endless supply of money! [:D]



ND Mallet -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 19:30:03)

@Isaiah Too bad the gift the Staff need most is patience and understanding from the community.



Fay Beeee -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 19:32:29)

I also think that
Mokta/Legion and Buffy/Exile have done fantastically well on this first day of the Frost War and Deserve to win the achievement. It takes a lot of time, dedication, competitiveness and I know varium (which most of us do not have) but they have done the game proud. So well done guys. :)



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 19:34:30)

@ND Mallet Well IMO I have been patient and understanding enough. This update was suppose to be awesome. But it ended up being a entire pay2win-based update. Whoever has the most money wins! Sounds awesome right?! Didn't think so.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 19:47:07)

@Isaiah lets give them the benefit of the doubt this week and see what steps they take to make it less Pay to Win next week if there is no steps being taken then we can say there is a major problem



Sparticus -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:02:40)

The sad comparison I have to make only highlights how bad this Frostval event is.

AQ has Kibbles the Happy Elf who takes donations from players and gives them to other players as gifts. Players to date have donated tens of millions of credits to other players for no other reason then the spirit of giving. They get nothing in return, no weapon, no shield, no armor, nothing. No cheevo either.

ED has a war where you can purchase several achievements for enough varium. The vast majority of players have no hope of ever getting anything despite their participation. No one gives you anything and there is nothing you can do for anyone to make it better for them. The 10 extra slots isn't a gift. Its room so you can buy more stuff. Without the extra slots, the biggest varium spenders wouldn't be able to buy up new stuff. Their inventories were all full. They would also be unable to do the missions which require you to purchase an item for your inventory and deliver it.

I'm disappointed every time I see the reactor go down because I know someone is buying a cheevo.



ORDER -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:16:31)

This event is an insane money grab. I am embarrassed to say I spent about 100 dollars worth of varium for my 98,000 war points that will not even get me an achievement or decent war rank. Worse then that Because of what I did events like this are sure to continue... I think the war general rank is going to be in the 300,000 points area. That is quite the spendy cheevo. I apologize to all the players who are mad and feel left out about this release, as I have supported this mess with real money. Thanks for your time.
ORDER



Jekyll -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:17:55)

^Don't worry. Missions will give points too.



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:36:56)

@OWA Well I'll be waiting to see what happens next week then. @Spaticus and Order good to see more players who realize the insanity of this event. Its 100% enitrely pay2win. This entire so called "one of the biggest events in ED history" happens to be completely based around whatever player has the most money and pays the most. Thats sad considering this is suppose to be a X-mas related event. Just sad.

Also one question where is the missions located?



Jekyll -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:40:26)

Missions not out in this release.



Xx. Christian .xX -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:40:37)

Do Super bombs increase your war points?



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:43:16)

@Isaiah many of Epicduel so called Player events fall around money. We have the war which is Pay to win. We have Player Appreciation week or as i like to call it Payer Appreciation week as only Varium players were appreciated. Most Major holidays. Need i continue?

I will hold this game in ill will for about a week or so before it fades but that is just the way i am



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:48:23)

@OWA Indeed. But I'm much more disapointed/saddend because this is a X-mas related update which is suppose to be about the spirit of giving. Not receiving endless amounts of money from players for days. As I see it the devs see this as the spirit of us giving them tons and tons of money for days.

Also what do you mean by "before it fades"?



frogbones -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:48:41)

What a hopelessly pointless "event." Spend money for an achievement. Awesome. Participate in a "war" that will have zero bearing on anything. Just watch.

The cheevo should be a picture of either:

a) a lollipop (maybe you can guess why)

or

b) a sillouette of a player holding a giant dollar sign above their head




IsaiahtheMage -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:50:58)

@frobonges Well it will have bearing on the storyline and the history of Frysteland forever. But I get the point of what your saying.



DeathGuard -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:54:07)

Reasons to bring down the game:
1) Why does all the weapons came back for exception of Frostbane, Cryomancer Staff and Kringle Bot Staff? Mages are always being nerfed or being punished. This is unfair, then the varium weapons for bh and mercs should go! Either bring them back or take out the other weapons. I'm really mad about this, I was making my way to buy kringle bot staff and I found out it go rare. Not only me want that staff, many players were willing to buy them
2.)War points: I have been doing many 1 vs 1 kills against yeti and it has take me 50 battles to get 2 rank, and I take the approximated number of wins needed to get 10k war points without bomb, I found out it I needed 440 wins more! YAY! Come on, make the super bomb do less damage and a limit of only 20 bombs per day to be bought, else we will have only variums ruling the Leaderboard.
3.)The new weapons are way too weak, they're for lvl 32 I know but many were waiting for high lvl weapons ( lvl 34), aren't you thinking in adding more weapons?
4.)If reason 2 and 3 aren't heard, make two leaderboards, one for variums and one for nonvariums, that way nonvarium have also the chances to get the Frysteland War Hero.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:54:17)

@Isaiah i cant be mad at something for the same reason for more then a week or so. This means i face every update neutral and most of them time hold this game in ill will



Retrosaur -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:55:10)

I am disgusted that nobody noticed the fact that we got "Free" inventory spaces. Sure, maybe most non-vars won't ever use it, but that's quite a lot of free stuff they have given away. I think they were especially kind to do so. At least give them some thanks....

@Frogbones
It's true that it's a pay-to-win event, but I don't think that's what the devs intended. Hopefully they can only count NPC kills as part of a player's score. Hopefully.

Also, does anyone know if there's a cap on the number of times you can battle each NPC? I didn't check myself.



One Winged Angel1357 -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 20:57:01)

@Hyperxlord as someone kindly pointed out there can be a clearly seen dark side to giving us the free space(refer to sparts last post as it was in that area).
Also no limit on War NPC's i spent an hour and a half farming Arctic guard non stop



IsaiahtheMage -> RE: =ED= EpicDuel DNs December 15th 2011 (12/17/2011 21:02:44)

@hypedxlord
quote:

The 10 extra slots isn't a gift. Its room so you can buy more stuff. Without the extra slots, the biggest varium spenders wouldn't be able to buy up new stuff. Their inventories were all full.

This is our free gift more space so we can use our real money to buy more stuff giving them more money in return. This is probably why no one mentioned it.



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