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LadyYennifer -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:31:57)

It's a wanted idea Chris.

A ingame poll would be terrible in my opinion. Keep it to the forums and Twitter.



Chazero -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:33:07)

quote:

If it will be in game, it will be canon.
If it gets in game.
That depends on you guys.
I can fulfill your wish... if you are willing to pay the price.

This is what Tomix said on the second page. There will be no turning back once you're a fleshweaver and that's why I'm wholeheartedly against it.



LadyYennifer -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:37:44)

It's optional. It's not forcing you into it so please don't put it down enough to a point where they think they don't want it when we do.



GreenGuy23 -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:38:09)

@Dragon The roblem with that is that it's unfair to those who don't use the forums or Twitter.



LadyYennifer -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:42:47)

It's the main way for the staff to use it. Would you prefer it to be on Facebook instead like what AQW did?



GreenGuy23 -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:47:19)

No. I would prefer it in-game, honestly, or if not in-game, here on the forums. The Facebook thing wasn't bad, though. I voted. I voted for the opposite one though :/ still got a REALLY cool blade.



Lord Arkatares -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:48:02)

@ Tomix

I repeat,

If we have to devour a Soul ally in order to become
a flesh Weaver, Couldn't we just Devour a Soul Ally that
actually deserve's it?

I'm Certain you could make one easily!!!
Think of it as our hero delivering ultimate Punishment
to a Truely Evil Soul!!!

TOMIX I GOTTA KNOW!!!



The Hollow Soul -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:58:17)

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There will be no turning back once you're a fleshweaver and that's why I'm wholeheartedly against it.


Yes, but I'm guessing Tomix and the team will have it be a choice and not "Oh, 60 players want FleshWeaver, too bad everyone else! *Auto forces it onto every player in the game.*" I doubt the team would force a class on us. I think what Tomix meant by the canon of FleshWeaver is that players won't be able to get FleshWeaver, then turn around and use Soulweaver like nothing happened. It will be canon that you devoured Aegis if you make that choice. If you're wholeheartedly against it, then make the choice not to consume Aegis, then in your canon, he'll still be alive.


If I understand Tomix wrong on the situation and it is an everyone gets it or no-one gets it class, then I will say that i'm against it. But if it's a choice between the two options with locking consequences after you pick, I'm all for it.



monstervet -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 21:59:14)

@Lord Arkatares
what about all that talk about
quote:

if Flesh weaver does come out though I hope it's attack's are a gruesome
bloody version of such a class (Blood Blast, crushing Vein's, Flesh Shield,
Carnage Storm, Red Rain, ETC...), with all manner of disgusting and revolting
flesh, blood muscle tissue, and bloody exposed bone based accessories


what more gruesome accessory can you have, than the knowledge that you ate your own soul ally? just teasing, just teasing
To be honest tomix said it, pay the price. If its optional, go ahead, if it is offered to me i'll still say no (and hope no one questions my reasons)
Soul weaver isnt that interesting to me, neither is chaosweaver or soul smith, i think they sound cool and i know that they will and do look cool, but Aegis doesnt deserve that, in my opinion.

If this is a test to prove what our inner feelings are well i choose fail, and an alignment based system? Nah, im tired of those in games.

People say i wont hurt a fly, but i hate em and would gladly get rid and i do, my character feels the same way but monsters are monsters and Aegis is our friend. Even if he offered to, in order to defeat a powerful enemy, i would say no.



Lord Arkatares -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 22:28:35)

@ Mostervet

nice to see that sense of humor come out monster vet,
but the reason I asked tomix to add a new Evil soul ally
was because Devouring Aegis just doesn't seem to fit our
heroes profile where's devouring some Monstrous Soul as ultimate
punishment (Too bad Valtrith doesn't qualify as a soul ally, he definitely
deserve's it...) for unspeakable crimes seems while a bit extreme, to
be a little more in our ball park, don't you agree?



AugustoCP -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 22:33:10)



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If you'd have to devour Aegis in order to be able to unlock the Fleshweaver class, would you do it?
This is a serious question.
I can make a Fleshweaver class in the future, but you'd have to absorb your only one soulally to unlock it.


My personal choice is, NO. I would not do it. But, this is not my opinion on wether or not it should be implemented. As it has been said, it'd be nice if it were implemented, but there is no way it can be mandtory/canon. It just can't.


quote:

If it will be in game, it will be canon.
If it gets in game.
That depends on you guys.
I can fulfill your wish... if you are willing to pay the price.


However, if implementing it means we are forced to do it, then, no, DON'T DO IT. And, I'm th guy whose aspect of DF he loves the most is its classes. I love class variety, I was one of the guys who kept bugging the Staff for a Shaman class after the Earth Orb Saga. However, if we are going to be forced to do it should the Staff implement it, DON'T. I'm all for implementing it, as long as it is not mandatory, I'd probably create a secondary character solely to try it out.


@Lord Arkatares Dude why do you line up your posts like they are poems?



Lord Arkatares -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 22:47:27)

@ AugustoCP

Honestly? I'm not sure why, I think it's because I used to be on
this forum that cut off your sentences if they drifted too far to the
right, and you couldn't slide over to see the rest of em either,
so it's kind of instinct at this point, I always type my sentences
this way...

POEM!?!? HAHAHA, too funny, Never thought of it like that though[:D].



AugustoCP -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 22:51:09)

I'm not complaining, it's actually nice, makes your posts seem smaller, so people don't get scared away by a text wall. It's somewhat similar to what I do, except I do that by separating my posts in several paragraphs with only a couple sentences.



ad3022 -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 23:02:14)

I would LOVE to have FleshWeaver.



Jorath -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 23:11:35)

quote:

If you'd have to devour Aegis in order to be able to unlock the Fleshweaver class, would you do it? is a serious question. I can make a Fleshweaver class in the future, but you'd have to absorb your only one soulally to unlock it.


quote:

My personal choice is, NO. I would not do it. But, this is not my opinion on wether or not it should be implemented. As it has been said, it'd be nice if it were implemented, but there is no way it can be mandtory/canon. It just can't.


That's the entire point behind FleshWeaver. If it's not canon, you wouldn't be going around and devouring others and using their bodies. It isn't a mandatory and forced choice.

That aside... I'd much rather stay off the path of being one, so that's a no.



megakyle777 -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 23:34:41)

The thing is... if we are using such dark magics and it's CANON, then we would have to be treat like that in all future releases, because it's canon that were are using it and thus it needs to be shown. Not only would it require two sets of releases, one for being a Fleashweaver and one with not, but it requires entire story rewrites to reflect if one is or not. I'd honestly say make it a DC class and non canon, since it means more money for DF, people get what they want, and it does not require the loss of any other classes or allies which in terms of gameplay (locking off 3 classes and a ally) is too high a price for any class, even Tier 3, even if we ignore the moral choice.



monstervet -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/28/2015 23:57:32)

Be careful what you wish for
You cant have your cake and eat it too
Dont look a gift horse in the mouth.

I think thats the lesson for the day, we need to give up the three classes for fleshweaver, and our soul ally for a reason, its the price we pay, it makes sense, what kinda soulweaver/chaosweaver/soul smith would you be if you devoured soul allies for power? chances are they would avoid you period, in the long run it makes sense that we would have to make that sacrifice or Snackrafice (meh it wasnt good).

Only time will tell.



Lord Arkatares -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 1:02:20)

@ Monstervet

You ever wonder who came up with that silly saying
you can't have your cake and eat it too?

Also this is why I said Tomix should make a new ultra Evil Soul Ally(not our soul ally),
so we can devour his soul as ultimate Punishment after we finish the questline related
to him/her, or better yet we could just devour Roirr's Soul, It'd make sense, since he's done
so much to deserve it,

Tomix just has to figure out a way to get Vaal and Roirr seperated,
unless of course Tomix decides to go the Dark route and let Roirr finish Vaal off (I hope not...)



monstervet -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 1:12:26)

@Lord Arkatares

probably a baker, as they spend there time making cake for other people, and then are too tired to make one for themselves, but i think tomixs point is to make that decision, we can either have fleshweaver and lose Aegis and the 3 other classes or keep aegis and the other 3 classes.

I dont think this is one of those you can have everything, scenarios, i admit i would want to have everything just to say i can, but i understand, chose one or the other NOT both.

I'm sure people will have there own opinions as more info is released but the snackrifice is too much, even if it isnt our soul ally then where do we draw the line, i feel like its saying vampires are okay as long as they only suck the blood out of criminals. We will probably continue sucking soul allies methinks.

But as i said
Time
will
tell. (william tell)

Edit:
Looked up the origin of the cake saying, i prefer my idea better, below not sure about that canon thing, somtimes although rare there are other options, that war with the baron? even if you didnt get the cloak scrap it would appear (so it didnt matter if we had it or not), then there is the guardian blade quest you need both guardianship and a Dragon amulet.

You need the DA to translate the draconic but you need to be a guardian to get the blade, if you have one but not the other you wont get far, it may be a cheap example but its the first thing that comes to mind. Yes DFs story is linear but in some rare cases there is a A and a b, in the end the result is the same but it happens, im sure the staff will find a way to make it work. if they dont well, i'll move back to book 2.



Gouresdo -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 1:17:15)

For those saying that being a Necromancer and a Fleshweaver would be similar, do keep in mind that not only you don't pay any price to be a Necro, but Artix hinself uses a weird kind of necromancy

Now about devouring Aegis try to picture this:
"Your character comes into his house, he rises slowly, a simple "Why?" comes out of his mouth, as if to remenber that he is part of you as you are part of him, "Power" you answer, a single tear falls , he does not reconises you... how could he make a pact with such a person? he does not want to fight back as you approach and you drive your fist inside of him. Ever so slowly his for starts to melt, every second being agonizing, until only a core remains, which you swallow hole."

Add some DF music, good artwork, gory sound effects, Ariadne comming in just in time to see what you did. Do you trully wish for that guy to be your character?

Moreover about being/not being cannon, DF has only one story, no options, so if you cannonicaly ate Aegis, he would not be present any any other Ravenloss quest, in other words, eating him will be as optional as continuing a storyline.

Finally about Soulsmith, not 100% sure if it would not be combat able, shamping Aegis into weapons could be really cool if it took some turns and enabled some different skills (lets say he is on normal form, you ask for sword form which gives 30% extra damage and enables 3 others skills, but takes 2 turns for the weapon to take shape, this would make it quite an unique class). And common, a hammer as the defaut weapon? who says no to that?



Orian -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 2:21:06)

IF Fleshweaver were to be released, who'd be the one to teach it? Pretty sure only Riorr knows that weaving art, so I'd doubt he'd be willing to teach us.

Here's a thought, it'll be more than likely that we'll need to face off against VaalRiorr in the future (whether or not he'll keep Vaal's body)
Would our current skills be capable of taking him down/would soulweaving be enough? I'm not too sure on chaosweaving as little has been told on what it can do(save for the vaal character mission, if that counts). But what if we'd have a case of 'fight fire with fire' in that in order to be capable of facing riorr w/o becoming assimilated, we'd need to learn that acursed art?



ergotth -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 2:30:31)

guys...aren't we forgetting we know still a whole lot of NOTHING about fleshweavers? We don't know if devouring a soul ally is necessary, or even something from a fleshweaver! It could be something just Roirr do. FLeshweaver doesn't sound evil by nature, just a very complex, difficult craft. Just like Bloodbending in avatar. Its gruesome? yes. Psychotic? Mostly. But it is only used for evil purposes? No, depends on the user. And I think Fleshweave is a neutral craft. Like Necromancy, we can become a Necromancer, and still slay undeads (mostly because even necromancers kill each other).

If AE wants to tease us with the idea of a fleshweaver, mayhaps they could elaborate more what they REALLY do and what only Roirr do. Although I bet his saga will clarify for us.

Now, about making a fleshweaver, I think animating it, and making it apart from Chaosweaver will be a little difficult. Chaosweaving already deals with the blood-red color motif, so Fleshweaving will REALLY have to amp up it's own uniqueness to not look too similar, despite the fact they are all weaving families. Maybe make it a liiiittle similar to Entropy could work.



monstervet -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 2:41:10)

@ergotth
actually tomix did say it needed a soul ally, mainly Aegis our soul ally, he also said we could not get Aegis back with time travel shenanigans (i know im lurking but its because im waiting for that movie premiere)

quote:

If you'd have to devour Aegis in order to be able to unlock the Fleshweaver class, would you do it?
This is a serious question.
I can make a Fleshweaver class in the future, but you'd have to absorb your only one soulally to unlock it.

If it will be in game, it will be canon.
If it gets in game.
That depends on you guys.
I can fulfill your wish... if you are willing to pay the price.

Once you train as a Fleshweaver, soulweaving as well as any other form of weaving might be locked out.
Possessing others/body jumping is not a fleshweaver skill.
It's what Roirr does.


those are 3 quotes from tomix from this topic, placed together to save time. yeah Aegis will have to go, if soulweaver is what you want.



Chaoshaper -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 2:49:54)

I still want to know what tomix means by saying

quote:

If it will be in game, it will be canon.
If it gets in game.
That depends on you guys.
I can fulfill your wish... if you are willing to pay the price.



Does it mean it's global canon, at some point in the storyline, the Hero decides to consume Aegis and become a Fleshweaver, for each and every player?

Or is it a local canon, where it depends on whether each individual character says yes or no, and it only affects that character?



dragon_monster -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class (4/29/2015 4:45:10)

This is a hard question if we want a FleshWeaver we have to devour Aegis which I have no problem with because he did not even tried to free from our ice prison but then again its a magic class so I really do not want to lose the 4-th strongest companion for a magic class. So much magic where is the old fashioned hit someone with a fish on the head.



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