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Brasca123 -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class II (5/3/2015 10:47:06)
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alright guys, let's calm down a bit, this thread is being a discussion between 3 or so people with the same arguments over and over again, i don't think that's very productive
let's try to analyze what we have here, we don't need to find a consensus, but there is no need to say what has already been said, i'm pretty sure the staff already read that
what could be good about implementing FW?
there is a new cannon class that takes power from some sort of "evil" power, like necro and DK, while those don't necessary require you to do something evil to become one, they are generally evil, there are exceptions of course, like vayle and the guys from water orb saga, in FW, maybe you would not do it for power alone, you could end up needing a bigger amount of power to defeat a greater evil (like roirr) and you would be given the choice of eating aegis through his suggestion, or maybe you COULD actually do it for power, that could actually give depth for our character, you ate your friend for power, you start to miss him and realize what sort of terrible thing you've done, something that can't ever be unmade, it's actually a pretty interesting development.
what probably won't happen is that you'll do it for power and not care about it at all, remember guys, the hero is a good guy, you aren't given a choice of being evil in DF, the few we received always ended up in THE END
do keep in mind however that most of this is speculation, only the staff knows what could and what could not be done to implement FW
what could be bad about implementing FW?
the morality issue is minor, while there are people that care about it, it is a game, it's good for RP, but it isn't a strong argument against it, some people just don't care about it, specially if you are giving the choice of doing it, and tomix said it would be a choice, so no need to worry about being forced to become evil
the main issue is that it could actually put a heavy burden on the staff, mainly because, any quest that would involve aegis would need to have different routes, one for FW and one for those without it, some people said that it would not be a problem if they did it when the weaving saga was over, but you have to keep in mind that we DO NOT know the staff's plans for future releases, they might want to put aegis in another quest 5 years from now, we can't simply assume aegis won't appear again because the saga is over, other "evil" classes do not have this problem as you don't get rid of any NPC to become one of them
still in the staff burden problem, there is the coding part, as it would lock you out of SW and MSW, maybe SS, and probably NOT CW, as CW is non-cannon, so i don't think it would be influenced, but that is up to the staff, so, when making a release involving aegis, there would need to be coding to check if you had FW or not, also, the armor closet and orb of saving would need to be checked as well, so that you can't use a class that has been locked for you, and that may enter into DB problems, not sure about it
also, gameplay related, the class would lock you out of the guests aegis book 1 and 3, and the SW/MSW and maybe SS, the class would need to make up somewhat for it, do keep in mind however, that by creating FW, it means that SW/MSW and maybe SS, would also lock out FW, so the bonus would not need to be big, still, it'd need to be somewhat stronger than a normal tier 3, while not getting close to tier 4, that might be hard to balance
let's also remember that:
1)it will be an option, FW won't be forced on anyone
2)it WILL be cannon if it is implemented, tomix was pretty explicit in this in the first thread, he said it twice actually, no compromise here, if it is in game it will be cannon
3)ash said that the discussion was mainly to see if it was worth the bother to think of actually making the armor, that's why they told us the consequences beforehand, so we can assume, while not certain, is that most likely, there were no plans for it beforehand, but if we want it, the staff may actually implement it when they have time
i think that was mainly all that was discussed on the FW issue, so, could we please not go back to the same arguments over and over again? it's kinda boring to read big posts that say what was already said
oh, and sorry if i'm mini modding or anything of the sort, i was just a bit tired of reading this thread
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