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6/9/2022 11:51:07

Veidovis
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I'm a big fan of deep lore in games and DF seems to have quite an interesting one. And because from time to time I come across a quest or two, where I have absolutely no idea what the characters are even talking about, I had to realise I'm only scratching the surface from mostly understanding the main story. Has anyone ever tried to compile all or most of the lore in some large document or video? Does anyone on this forum know where I might find it if it exists?

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6/9/2022 18:15:17

Laeon val Observis
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Depending on how this thread turns out, more of a Q&A than actual discussion. If you're that same r/dragonfable redditor who asked practically the same inquiry and got responses that claim it's here in the DF forums, yes and no. Yes such that a basic Lore's history guide was attempted years back (2015 to be exact) but never really got up to steam (and don't hope that it'll be updated. Guides are author-locked in editing, and they haven't logged in since 2018 and the guide hasn't been updated since the year it was made). No if we're referring to the deep lore Book 3 has been injecting here and there. Those of us who got the gist of the deep lore just connected two and two from scant data scattered around Lore and hinted at in the battles we encountered in the Inn.

And as for vids, before I forget, no. TRS' YT page is the best source for story mode play by play, but that's just it. Nothing really too deep.

< Message edited by Laeon val Observis -- 6/9/2022 18:37:44 >

AQW

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6/10/2022 8:39:19

Veidovis
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I am indeed the same person who made the Reddit thread. Guess I'll just try to pick it up from what everyone else is talking about.

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6/13/2022 3:08:37

Flabagast
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I don't have a massive document of all of the deeplore that's been fed to us over the past few years, but as a fellow lore enjoyer I think I can point you in a few directions of what's ingame. 'The Last Stand of Ehr'ishin' in the Inn at the Edge of Time has some crucial lore, and Caeternam's dialogue relates to that. Notha talks about the Exalted as well in Respite. Ostromir and Vseslava talk about the Wastes, the Mana Core and give hints about the nature of mana in the current arc of the main storyline (I would provide a link of their dialogue, but since they're two characters that doesn't really work) and speaking of the main storyline, Eulin has some some more info on the Wastes. And regarding mana, I suppose Warlic's dialogue in A New Student might be helpful. Oh and of course GenoKratos' lore dump. There's also Lock and Key's puzzle, and an interesting diagram at the Inn as well.

There are a bunch of books in the Libraseum that have tidbits of lore on a lot of different things too if you fancy that.

I think that's the bulk of it. If anything else important springs to mind I'll be sure to add it later. It may seem cryptic and fragmented but the Wastes, the Exalted, the Aequilibria, Mana, Lore's creation and the Dragons of Prophecy all fit together to tell an intriguing story. We don't have all the pieces yet, but from what we have it's very feasible to join the dots and begin to see the bigger picture.

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6/14/2022 18:17:17

Veidovis
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These do clear up a lot of confusion and put things close together. But I still have some clarifying questions if anyone could answer.
~~How did I never realise Caetarnam was a Celestial, am I stupid?~~
So the Aequilibria are the original gods of order that created the Exalted and after that didn't work out too well, the Dragon duo and the Avatars? And the "Whispers" are their doom/destruction alternative? And as per Remthalas there are primordial gods even aside the Aequilibria and Whispers? I'd assume it would be beings like Kathool and some kind of gods of the void.
Is Myalos from before the reset? Just what level of strength is he on?
Are the Tytans we fight in the current storyline war tools and war beasts that were used by the Exalted in their war, like the ones Caeternam talks about?
Are we sure Notha is correct when she talks about the Avatars? Are the Avatars of Fire and Darkness really beings of Order and Destiny and not Doom? If the original gods created two dragons, one of creation and one of destruction, wouldn't the Avatars also reflect that? Even if we look at the great dragons that the Avatars created, Akriloth doesn't exactly strike me as something created by a being of Destiny. Or am I just still not getting something about Destiny and Doom?

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6/16/2022 1:06:16

Flabagast
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So the Aequilibria are the original gods of order that created the Exalted and after that didn't work out too well, the Dragon duo and the Avatars? And the "Whispers" are their doom/destruction alternative? And as per Remthalas there are primordial gods even aside the Aequilibria and Whispers? I'd assume it would be beings like Kathool and some kind of gods of the void.

Pretty much, yeah!

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Is Myalos from before the reset? Just what level of strength is he on?

Myalos is definitely pre-reset. They're one of the Dragonoids, which were ancient even in Mechquests time. As for their power level? Well Notha was able to get them working using Exalted technology, so it's hard to say whether that may have given them a boost. Either way, they were a match for all eight Avatars at once so... yeah. Absurdly powerful.

Although now that the Dragonoid body is laying in pieces in the Deadlands, we have no way of knowing what their android form is capable of at the moment. Maybe we'll have them available as a guest one day?

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Are the Tytans we fight in the current storyline war tools and war beasts that were used by the Exalted in their war, like the ones Caeternam talks about?

Yup. Cryohem was probably an Exalted construct, given that we fight something just like it in the Exaltia Tower. The big light whale above Swordhaven on the other hand was likely peaceful until it was enslaved. I don't know about the fungus in Dragesvard though... I had a feeling that it might be an Exalted-engineered biological weapon, but maybe it fought against them considering its mimicry abilities? It's weird to think that the Exalted and Aequilibria may have been in some kind of elemental arms race.

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Are we sure Notha is correct when she talks about the Avatars? Are the Avatars of Fire and Darkness really beings of Order and Destiny and not Doom?

Fiamme and Voidstar are- uh were definitely as pro-Destiny as the other Avatars; not all elemental beings represent the will of their respective Avatar. Even with that said, the Shadowscythe are a special case of Darkness spirits that exist despite the Avatars' attempts at keeping the balance. They probably hated Voidstar just as much as the others. Maybe even more so.

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If the original gods created two dragons, one of creation and one of destruction, wouldn't the Avatars also reflect that? Even if we look at the great dragons that the Avatars created, Akriloth doesn't exactly strike me as something created by a being of Destiny. Or am I just still not getting something about Destiny and Doom?

This is where things get a little messier, I think. Though Akriloth probably wasn't the first Great Fire Dragon; I find it more likely that he's a descendent of the original, given that GenoKratos is much older and waaayyy bigger than Akriloth probably ever hoped to be. Regardless of that though, the Great Dragons and their creators are flawed beings. GenoKratos made that clear, and we straight up see the Avatars' flaws throughout the Malerous saga. They interrupt each other, they bicker and argue, they're short-tempered (thanks Nythera) and they're unsure of themselves. Heck, it was even implied that they forget stuff. I didn't buy into Notha's arguments, but I could certainly see her point of view.

One might ask "If you're going to go to sleep for forever, why would you leave the governance of the world to beings that are imperfect?" Well... who's to say Aequilibria isn't imperfect? Their first creations, the Celestials and Infernals, rebelled against them and nearly destroyed them. Maybe this idea of "perfect order" is what they were rebelling against. Maybe the gods had that in mind when they created the Avatars. If you can't have perfection, then you may as well create things and have faith that they won't annihilate each other or world they're trying to protect. I dunno.

I should stop before I get too carried away. I do get hyped up about this stuff and I'm happy to see more players talk about the lore now that we've had some of the bigger revelations recently.

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6/16/2022 1:30:31

Primate Murder
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So, weird question, but did the Exalted and the Aequilibria actually exist?

I haven't played MQ, so I may be missing something, but didn't the DF universe come into being as a result of the Reset? And presumably some time recently, since Kathool identified the MQ hero and DF hero as one and same? As in, like, five minutes before A Hero Is Bored?

So, the Exalted and other stuff... isn't it basically, canonically, flavor text? The universe going: 'huh, I have some ruins here. Quick, make up a backstory for them!'

Like I said, weird question.

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6/16/2022 7:05:21

Veidovis
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I should stop before I get too carried away. I do get hyped up about this stuff and I'm happy to see more players talk about the lore now that we've had some of the bigger revelations recently.

Haha, I definitely wouldn't mind getting carried away. And thanks for clarifying, I'm also pretty hyped about this kinda thing.

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So, weird question, but did the Exalted and the Aequilibria actually exist?

I haven't played MQ, so I may be missing something, but didn't the DF universe come into being as a result of the Reset? And presumably some time recently, since Kathool identified the MQ hero and DF hero as one and same? As in, like, five minutes before A Hero Is Bored?

So, the Exalted and other stuff... isn't it basically, canonically, flavor text? The universe going: 'huh, I have some ruins here. Quick, make up a backstory for them!'

Like I said, weird question.

I think the Reset completely reset the world/universe from its start, not to the start of the game. And it just took a while for the MQ/DF hero to pop up again in the world. As for whether the Exalted actually existed, we know of at least two Infernals, Warlic/Wargoth and his dad who was the original Wargoth, and we also meet a Celestial, Caeternam, who talks like he was there for the Exalted war. So unless he just popped into existence with memories of living for possibly 1000s of years before that, including a giant war against some non-existent gods, I think you might be overthinking it.

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