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MrBones -> Rewards (2/24/2012 11:47:36)

Hey guys,

I am back for only one reason. The dam bike that founder are getting.


As you will find in this discussion, the issue goes far beyong this silly and useless gift.

Keep reading and scrolling, you will find the arguments I give are pretty convincing. Please take time to read all posts before commenting in order to keep the discussion moving foward.

After 133 posts, I would like to thank everybody for being polite and constructive.



Ranloth -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 11:51:56)

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We knew that people would be upset about us giving any gifts to Founders (and that's all it is, a gift. It isn't a reward they earned, it's something nice we are doing in appreciation), but arguing over whether they "deserve" it, or who "deserves" a gift more, in my personal opinion, seems petty. Just because we give a gift to one group doesn't mean we don't appreciate another group just as much. They get appreciation first because they were here first.

I hate to single people out, but Fay Beee graciously thanked us on the first page. That's how one should react to receiving a gift, not demand more or complain that you didn't get a gift too. Do you go to someone's birthday party and demand that everyone bring you a gift as well?

I'm sorry if I sound angry or defensive, and we do plan to do something extra to appreciate our later supporters, but please behave with a little more decorum.


http://forums2.battleon.com/f/fb.asp?m=20104275 <- from there.

Your time will come just wait.



VIX -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:15:00)

I don't see any point of u posting this,

Elites \ Founders Deserve to get gifts for supporting Epicduel and make it more popular, and why not getting a Special Bike ?

There is a new phase coming soon " Omega " work on getting it and i'm sure u will be getting gifts ltr.

-VIX



MrBones -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:21:30)

Well here is what I have to answer to this:

Artix do not care about high spending player like me. I pay on a regular basis, with any incentive from them. They take us as granted.

Now the hidden message in all this is pretty clear to me. They are about to launch a new game (AQW3D). They will need lots of supporters for money at first. By giving a gift to founders in ED, what they are saying is support our beta games early and you will get rewards forever. Read the DN's again.. Cinderrella is saying 'a gift for supproting us early''. Early is the key in the message here.




Fay Beeee -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:27:54)

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

My mouth is now closed.



Ranloth -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:28:43)

DN's? Read Cindy's reply, it's like newer than DNs and she implied that it's gift TO Founders and Elites for supporting us EARLY. Yes because Founders and Elites came before Beta and so on? o.O Yeah EARLY, makes sense?
Everyone will get rewarded for support, just get over the fact you might have to wait longer than this week's release. Okay you pay on regular basis, so do other people yet they can live with it and wait for their turn? Hidden message? I see one in your post - it's called impatience. Found it yet?

AQW3D will give us options to be Founders if we pay but they won't need supporters as much - see how much they earn now and have money to maintain 3D game? In AQW3D, it'll be just a perk and more money but surely you will get a chance now to be one? Unless you don't wanna.



Cyberbeast10 -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:32:38)

It's just a bike......
So if you pay more, you deserve more?

What did you spend all of those variums for? To get high level equipment that will allow you to stay competitive in this game, right? Do you think just because you pay more that you are entitled to be given everything there is to be given? Founders are being gifted with a Bike that does practically nothing but make them look good outside of battle.

You, the constantly paying variums who dedicate their money to support this game, are ALWAYS being "gifted" with new more powerful items that actually have some value both in AND out of combat. Founders still need to pay for your benefits, but every then and now they are given a few small bonuses that aren't really helping them out in the top levels of Epicduel.

So..just let it go, and complain when Founders are given something that actually make them stronger than everyone else.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:32:30)

i argued it many times, with alot of reasons.
founders WHO want the rewards however, are very 1 sided in the argument and all they use to back up argument, is "we payed before u"
or "im a founder, i should be rewarded" and other stuff along those lines.

so after the design note thread i just dropped the argument because people defending the founder rewards were somewhat biased in their reasoning. and no matter what facts u throw at them, they reply calling the same card.

anyways. i would appreciate it, if no one replied to this comment, as im not going to participate in a debate about something when the defending party is biased.

@trans below
thank you for proving my point.



Ranloth -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:35:46)

I will reply gold, I have right to. Otherwise why post message?

Read Cindy's reply. You will get a reward, God knows when you registered but every supported will get a reward. If you didn't support in Beta, tough but you could've. This is confirmed so where's your problem with it? Rewards for playing a game as free player? Word "support" is missing here.
Some people are just ignorant to not read what Devs themselves have to say and will make more things up or continue with petty points that aren't true anymore.

@above
I did not really defend it, what you were arguing about was Founder + rewards were wrong. Seeing as all supporters will get a reward, it's getting equal but just not in today's release. It takes time and you got it confirmed by the Staff as well, even twice.



Lord Nub -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:41:05)

Omg imma ride that bad boy in style :DDDD

They see me rollin....they hatin...patrollin they tryin to catch me ridin dirty

Hey so quick question...If everyone is givin everything then what's the point?

Awww man how awesome it would be if everyone even non-founders and non-variums got the founder bike!!! Literally everyone rollin around in a founder bike :D

Kinda defeats the purpose does it not?



goldslayer1 -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:55:09)

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Kinda defeats the purpose does it not?

not really cause ur still getting rewarded.



Ranloth -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 12:59:14)

Yes really, FOUNDER Bike has Founder in it.

Read Cindy's post? Every single supporter will be awarder when they have time to make rewards. Which part doesn't satisfy you? Or don't you want reward so you can rant about unfairness?



Cyberbeast10 -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 13:00:40)

The purpose of the Founder Bike was to be exclusive and show a nice gesture towards the founders.
So yeah, it actually would defeat the purpose because it loses its value.



goldslayer1 -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 13:24:50)

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I did not really defend it, what you were arguing about was Founder + rewards were wrong.

no i argued that founders shouldn't keep receiving so much rewards despite all the things they already gotten.
u would have known that if u actually read what i said.

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Some people are just ignorant to not read


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Yes really, FOUNDER Bike has Founder in it.

Read Cindy's post? Every single supporter will be awarder when they have time to make rewards. Which part doesn't satisfy you? Or don't you want reward so you can rant about unfairness?

and remember, u were the one who told me the argument was about founder [;)]



Ranloth -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 13:30:57)

Oh damn, I owe you an apology gold as I just read "WHO" bit.. ._. Yeah that's my bad here, as I thought you meant Founders overall, not those who really want a reward (beg for it to make it 'fair'). ._.'

Shhhh, mistakes happen! D:



MrBones -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 14:40:47)

Well I don't think we will never see the end of this old argument.

But yet again, Founders, (who in fact are just some people who discovered the game before others) get more than the other players on that sole basis. I am very sorry to say but I fail to miss the point in that.

What is supporting the game exactly ? Because let me tell you, I see plenty of founders with the armor and beta weapons and their inventories almost empty. Meaning they bought only one varium pack.Some even quit a long time ago or play once every other month. Still they get another reward.

It is very hard to understand why such a decision has been made.Favorising the same minority of players again.Of course I don't expect anybody here to get the point but it does feel good to write it down.


Is the registering date that important ?



Ranloth -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 14:46:27)

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Apple was a small company way back when it was first founded. People joined Apple and spent maybe $100 for some shares on Apple, for a small percentage of Apple's Stock. But think about it this way-that $100 has multiplied x-fold into maybe multi-million dollars. (New Promos for those original founders)

And what about people who spent $1000 on Apple Stocks when it was successful, way later during it's production? Say, 5 years ago? Sure, their stocks jumped some $$, but not as much as the people who first invested in Apple. (The promos that come along with the Var Packages).


Joe's wonderful example. That's 1st point of yours answered.
2nd point - supporting game is buying Varium. Even 500 Varium is called supporting. And seeing them with that equipment is a problem because..? Beta Gear is beaten since a while ago, only good at its Lvl now. Founder Armor loses as well by about +9 stat points which is +2 Def/Res/etc. If some non-Varium player has basic equipment because he's broke (due to retraining) then they aren't worth reward for something if they deserve it?
3rd point - minority is the word. Another is ignorance, please read posts of Developers as they actually answered people's questions and it's pretty much you who's against them about it. EVERY SINGLE SUPPORTER, yes that's right, WILL be REWARDED. Used capitals to make it clear. Wait, they are favourising now majority of players?! Impossibru! ;o

Date isn't, but supporting game at bad financial state aka starting new business, is if they need money. You will get awarded for your support, give it a time and you will get something for sure.



MrBones -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:00:46)

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2nd point - supporting game is buying Varium.

I agree. Then the more varium you buy, the more you support the game. What does it have to do with the registering date ? I don't need the stats of the old founder armor and beta gear. What I was trying to explain was that some founder did not invest alot of money in the game. Less varium bought=less support. Even you seems to get that idea.

Now let's make something clear. It's is not about the actual bike. It's about principles. Founders already had alot of gifts. I am sure you can remember and list them all. Whetever they were enough or not, is not part of this argument. Now why keep favoring the same small group who had already been rewarded many times ? Only the dev or Cindi can answer this question.But they won't because it does not make any sense.

@Trans BTW, I see your name 2 or 3 times on each page, on each thread. How about some fresh air and maybe you will see the big picture instead of calling people ignorant.



Cyberbeast10 -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:06:42)

Very well, I get your point. The founders have been rewarded constantly just for the fact that they supported earlier than everyone else, and some just supported a little. I see your point.

But as I said before, today's varium players are usually "rewarded" with promotional items. So, the more you support, the more your being rewarded with your promos.



Retrosaur -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:10:45)

@MrBones

Do you get more "support" from buying food? People buy food everyday.. Should they complain to Kellogg's or other food companies and demand some sort of "reward" for their purchases? No. If you spend money, you spend money. Nobody cares if you spent 1 billion dollars on this game. There is no "special" reward. Obviously.

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@Trans BTW, I see your name 2 or 3 times on each page, on each thread. How about some fresh air and maybe you will see the big picture instead of calling people ignorant.


Now you're being ignorant of others beliefs.



MrBones -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:16:31)

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But as I said before, today's varium players are usually "rewarded" with promotional items. So, the more you support, the more your being rewarded with your promos.


Yes yes and yes. I pay to support, they give me gear. Why do founder pay to support and got all those extra stuff? The registering date argument is completely ludicrous.

I can understand the fact that a company needs money to start up. Thank you founders. But keep in mind a company needs money to GROW too. In the end we are all helping.


Why are you over looking this EpicDuel ??


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Do you get more "support" from buying food? People buy food everyday.. Should they complain to Kellogg's or other food companies and demand some sort of "reward" for their purchases? No. If you spend money, you spend money. Nobody cares if you spent 1 billion dollars on this game. There is no "special" reward. Obviously.


What is your point exactly ? Because it seems that according to you, helping the game financially must be disregard. I would like to remember you at this point that most founders use that argument, combine with the fact that they did it earlier than the others, to support their argument. I find it particulary funny.

And another thing. Almost every single corporation use some kind of fidelety rewards or gimmicks to keep you coming back. As a consumer, I am sure you are aware of that. Could you imagine Kellog's saying they will give coupons or price cuts on their products to people who bought their cereal first ??



Ranloth -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:17:45)

I love how people can come up with more examples of real-life and apply them here which are 100% right! [:D]

And I apologise for fact it's weekend, it's evening, I'm a teenager, have spare time before my exams in May, for my knowledge about game and Business, and fact I'm active during evenings 99.99% of the time. Like hell no, I can't post on forum too much!? Balance Topic - I see Remorse, goldslayer, sometimes myself posting a lot there, like 1/3 of page is one of them. Well they are suggesting and evaluating on people's ideas which is great from them and shows that they appreciate someone else's effort. Does that make them bad? (not putting words in your mouth) :D

@above
Please read Cindy's post I linked in my FIRST post here? Hard to click the link or read the qupte? You will be rewarded, give it a time.
If you don't bother to read our posts or somewhat skip them, why should we care what you have to say? Yes it's quite harsh but if you demand respect from others, respect them back?



Wootz -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:18:43)

I'll just quote my thoughts (And the companies a bit) for this.

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Most of you people here don't know about Artix Entertainments traditions.
On every game they make they have Foundership which makes you one of the first upholders in the game which means a lot to the company which at the time of this idea was still small and their Secret Underground Lab was Artix's house.

It means a lot to every game Developer as it helps them out a lot and means that some people are willing to pay for the game to continue growing and that means a lot.

If you guys can't understand that. You aren't for this game, nor company.



Retrosaur -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:26:14)

People take WAYYYYYY too much credit as a founder. I might remind you, ED existed before the AE merger.

AE just pretty much gave them more room to work and more breathing room in terms of salary, that sort of stuff. Of course, AE still receives a marginal profit each time someone purchases varium or complete an AExtra offere. I don't know where founders got this idea that they completely supported the game beforehand?



MrBones -> RE: Rewards (2/24/2012 15:30:50)

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@above
Please read Cindy's post I linked in my FIRST post here? Hard to click the link or read the qupte? You will be rewarded, give it a time.
If you don't bother to read our posts or somewhat skip them, why should we care what you have to say? Yes it's quite harsh but if you demand respect from others, respect them back?


I did read it. Did you read all of MY posts ??

I know I might get a reward. But now it is the founders time to be reward...again..and again and again.. This is what I am concern about and don't understand. Should you have read all my posts, you would have understood I am sure.



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