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Icestar_0 -> RE: FleshWeaver and Soul Smith Class II (5/7/2015 6:09:18)
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So I realize the debate has calmed down a bit, but I’d like to jump in with my thoughts so I don’t fall in the silent majority group off the forums.
I’m rather against Fleshweaver as a canon class. All we’ve seen so far is a modified clone of Vaal’s Chaosweaver skills, so, while I’m sure Tomix would do something amazing with it, I’m not especially hyped for the skills and the necessity of destroying Aegis along with storyline ramifications make it something I won’t support.
My main issue is that we will effectively lose Aegis as a character if the option to kill him is given, meaning that having the option for fleshweaver would effect the games of those who chose not to use it. Aegis is already limited in appearances because he can’t appear in main quests as it’s not guaranteed everyone will have played the Meet Aegis quest, so if the option to destroy him is given he can never really be more than a cameo even within the weaving centric quest lines as for some players he’ll be dead. Aegis has given us some hints for an interesting back story and I’d really love to see him fleshed out more. Additionally from what I understand the bond between SoulAlly and weaver is a rather big deal and I’d love to see that expanded upon with the hero. He’s one of the few guaranteed to be on the hero’s side in Book 3 and it would be a shame not to explore that relationship. Unless a path system was initiated in DF we’d lose Aegis for fleshweaver, and I don’t think a path system would be a wise choice for an already overburdened staff.
My second issue is that I can’t reconcile the canon hero with someone willing to destroy Aegis for power. You can chose to rp and characterize your personal hero however you like, whether they be evil or more of an anti-hero, but it has been stated repeatedly that the canon DF hero is a morally good individual who is always trying to do the right thing. Tomix has stated that the decision to murder Aegis would be optional and I can’t accept the canon hero would be willing to kill a friend if there was any other choice. Suddenly making such a selfish choice would be ridiculously out of character for the hero. The only way you could preserve a good hero taking the option to kill Aegis would be if the hero and Aegis appeared to facing overwhelming odds and Aegis offered to kill himself to power the hero up because there appeared to be no other way, but in actuality you could beat whatever it is without harming Aegis. Though If that were to happen, it would be unfair to players who aren’t constantly on the forums and don’t know you could win without Aegis committing suicide, so for it truly be a choice as Tomix said, the hero would need to kill Aegis for power without any extenuating need for it.
Another issue is that the decision to kill Aegis couldn’t be given proper weight without a time-consuming path system. Aside from the absence of Aegis for the storyline, we’d need to see weavers and Spirits reacting negatively to the hero. Even if fleshweaving itself is a neutral act, killing someone who trusts you is abominable and if people don’t react, refuse to help or outright attack us, it’s like the hero made an evil choice in a vacuum. Being locked out of classes and skills is more of a game mechanic than story reaction and it’ll cheapen the story if no one even notices what the hero did. This isn’t like using questionable power like a Doom Weapon, which we didn’t kill anyone to make, the hero killed someone to be a fleshweaver.
In my opinion, it kind of makes Roirr less special as well if the hero can become a fleshweaver in a snap decision. Roirr has abilities that have nothing to do with fleshweaving, but if we can become a fleshweaver by simply killing Aegis, what’s stopping someone else from learning what the hero did and doing it themselves? The hero’s soul isn’t special the way Roirr’s is so if we can do it and if fleshweaving is really so much more powerful than chaosweaving or soulweaving, what would stop us from being overrun with people willing to kill their friends for power? Unless the answer is that fleshweaving isn’t actually a power upgrade and more of an aesthetic choice, it’s something the story would need to address.
I’m a little alarmed at how blase people have been about killing Aegis and the sort of precedent this could set for the story. I kind of wonder if some of this is because we’re getting used to people dying in Ravenloss and Vaaloirr, so another death doesn’t faze the community as much it would outside this Saga. Would killing Aegis really be any different than killing Ash Dragonblade to steal his connection to the light princess or something similar? Ash like Aegis is a relatively strong person who defends his home and is a friend to the hero, and also isn’t plot crucial in that he isn’t the head of an order, doesn’t provide crucial intel and doesn’t have skills to teach us. Actually Aegis unlocks Soulweaver, so he does give us skills unlike Ash. I don‘t think the staff would ever give us the option, but if the hero can kill Aegis for power, why not Ash or anyone else? How is it really different? It's something to consider.
I’m aware I’m repeating a few things, but I didn’t want to be silent.
On a lighter note, I’m really excited for the possibilities with Soulsmithing. If we could interact with a few more elemental spirits to unlock the ability to make new weapons like a few people suggested, it would be a great way to add in some extra lore and give us a chance to talk to Salla, Aegis and Lanrete’s Soulally a bit.
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